Cheyenne Transporter. (Darlington, Indian Terr.), Vol. 3, No. 22, Ed. 1, Monday, July 10, 1882 Page: 6 of 8
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IUBLI8n'D SKMt MONTHLY
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LANDLORD AND TENANT.
A Distinguished Irishman Discusses
the Situation in Ireland
Official Incapacity Which Permitted
the Escape of the Dublin Assassins.
Irish-Americans Believed to Have Per-
petrated the Murders.
Special to Chicago TlniUB.
London May 23. Tuesday I had
an interview with a distinguished citi-
zen of Dublin a gentleman who has
lived in the city all his life and whose
high social position has given him the
entry into the best society. I am not
at liberty to mention his name but he
speaks with authority. The following
is the result of my conversation with
him. It is worthy of special note that
despite his npuarent conservatism he
is in favor of the extinction of land-
lordism: "What do you think of the part the
police have played in this affair of the
Pbconix park assassinations?"
"I am just as much ashamed of
them as at this moment I am of my
country. The detective force of Dub-
lin is about as inefficient as it is possi-
ble to imagine. In the first place you
know a Dublin detective the moment
you see him; he might just as well
go about in unirorm as in plain clothes
so thoroughly is his appearance recog-
nized. A more polite set of officials
you can not meet. If you lose any.
thing aud go to the detective bureau
they will write it all down in a book
and take the greatest pains to put your
trouble into official shape and that's
the end of it. But the great blame for
the non-capture of the assassins lies at
the door of the head officials."
"How so?"
"For example within seven minutes
of the murder which by the way was
really seen oy Lord Spencer and Col.
Calfleld the last-mentioned official
had practically within call a posse of
mounted constabulary. There is some
excuse for Lord Spencer losing his
head ; he was so deeply interested in
Lord Frederick CavendLh and was so
overwhelmed at the discovery of his
body that he seems to have given no
orders at all at any rate on the spui of
the moment. But Col. Caulfleld was
literally within a few minutes sur-
rounded by police and close by there
were several men of the constabulary
force with horses ready saddled for an
emergency and yet nobody thought of
starting them after the assassins. The
master of the horse Col. Forster was
not far away ; he could have stopped
every avenue coming from the park
and indeed could have covered Dublin
with mounted men on the fleetest
steeds. Now Co. Caulfleld and the
master of the rorse receive from
1500 to 2000 a year; their
chief duty is to be ready to do
something in an emergency
here WAS TIIKIU OPPORTUNITY.
A prompt alarm and the dispatch of
mounted constabulary officers within
at least ten minutes after the murder-
ers left the scene of the tragedy
would almost of a certainty have re-
sulted in a capture; but I happen to
know that nobody gave any commands
and discipline is so sovere that no sub-
ordinates dare move without authority
lied tapo is the curse of Dublin castle."
"And what do you think is the pros-
pect now of capture? The idea on this
side of the channel seems to obtain
that the tremendous character of the
conspiracy is demonstrated by the fact
that nobody conies forward to give in-
formation." "There are two sides to that question.
It is perfectly true that there is a deep
and wide conspiracy. It is tqually
certain that there are many persons in
Dublin who could put the police on
the track of the murdereis. I have
made some personal inquiiies among
the poorer classes as to their feelings
in regard to information. An Irish
man myself I have also some knowl-
edge of the characteristics of my
countrymen. The result of my in-
quiries is this: That among the
poorer classes of the Irish people the
feeling is s Hi verse to handing over
any person to tne gallows that what-
ever the crime this feeling is parmount.
lasiked some very respectable religious
good sort of people in an humble po-
sition whether if they know the
murdereis they would give them up
If they were only going to bo trans-
ferred was the reply they would ; but
not to make them responsible for .heir
deaths. This general feeling among
the lower class of Irish people must be
taken into account in connection with
their reticence in this affair. As to
the conspiracy so long as tenants feel
that their interest lies in breaking the
law rather than supporting it you can
hardly expect them to bo with the
government."
"Is it tiuo then that many tenants
who are resisting the payment of rent
can well afford to liquidate their
debts?"
Quite true; and it is a common
thing for a man in response to appli-
cations for his rent to decline to pay
but at the same time to offer to buy
his holding."
"Then there is more truth in a cur-
rent witticism as to the
PENURIOUS HABITS OF SOME IRISH
TENANTS
than one at flrst is inclined to believe.
For instance a friend of mine tells me
he was staying the other day at a flrst
class hotel in Dublin where the lavish
expenditure of money in the house by
a stranger was mentioned by one of
the guests. The reply was: 4Oh he
must be t tenant; no man who is not
a tenant can afford to be so reckless
with his money."
"The joke is not without a great sub-
stratum of truth though of course
there are cases on the other side. The
'no-rent' manifesto was an appeal to
the worst feelings of the tenants. There
are poor devils in the most barren parts
of Ireland whose fate is most melan-
choly. They try to drag out a living
by a sort of rough cultivation and are
continually in the most deplorable con-
dition of wretchedness and misery.
The truth is all such districts in Ire-
land should be swept clear of the
squatters who should be removed to
more favorable quarters. As for the
landlords there should be no landlords.
I say that advisedly although I am
deadly opposed to Mr. Gladstone's gov-
ernment and to Mr. Gladstone's policy;
but it is quite certain that in a country
like Ireland landlordism should be
wiped out. Every man who has a hold-
ing should be compelled to cultivate it
himself. No man should have a farm
larger than his personal qualifications
for dealing with it. The great holdings
of the country should be spilt up and
sold to people who can work upon them.
No man has a right to be living upon
the labors of another on the soil. This
is the entire question and until it is
thoroughly appreciated understood
and acted upon there will be no peace.
I don't blame landlords for trying to
get the most they can out of their prop-
erty. Look at the position of some of
them. The land comes into the pos-
session of the eldest son. Irish people
seem always to have large families.
The eldest son as a rule has to keep
no end of his brothers rnd sisters and
relations ; ho would be
AN UNNATURAL WRETCH
to ignore their claims upon him; and
so the soil which he has inherited has
to be worked to the best possible ad-
vantage that is he has to get as mush
rent as he possibly can and so the ten-
ant becomes a mere slave to his re-
quirements. All this must bo altered.
Tho30 who hold the land must cultivate
it aud there must bo no landlords."
"But supposing England conceded
tins principle and acted upon it in Ire
land don't you think the English ten-
ant will be entitled to ask for some
special privileges?"
"The situation is entirely different.
Your territorial owners and farmers
are protected by the extent of your
great manufactures. You aro not de
pendent upon the soil. The relation-
ships between landlord and tenant are
different; the English tenant has al-
ways had claims for improvements
chums which have never been question-
ed. It may seem odd to a looker on
that one part of the United Kingdom
should have to be legislated for from
a different standpoint to another; but
it is so. The position of Ireland is ex-
ceptional." "What do you think of Mr. Glad-
stone's new measure of coeioion?"
"That the conspiracies growing out
of the Jmd-league organization have
rendered' it absolutely necessary and
it is quite possible that when the pub-
lic feel themselves more secure of their
lives and property by the extra powers
given to the law the true story of the
Phcenix park assassinations may leak
out. There are two features of Mr.
Gladstone's bill however which are a
mistake; the flrst interference with
public meetings; the second a censor-
ship of the press. Public meetings
represent a safety-valve in po'itieal
life and in addition to Unit Uv gov-
ernment aud the police would get use-
ful information by knowing who are
the organizers agitators and speakers
at meetings opposed to the government.
As for the press there is no doubt we
have some very bad and abominable
newspapers in Ireland but it is better
to leave them to be
DEALT WITH BY PUBLIC OPINION
than by police interference. Another
feature by the way to which I object
is the police right of search at night
After dark every man's house however
hurrble should be sacred. Under the
new act any policeman may take it
into his head to enter anywhere on the
vaguest suspicions. Instead of this I
would re-enact the old curfew and not
allow any persons to be about without
giving satisfactory explanations of
themselves after dark."
"Do you think Mr. Gladstone's so-
called policy of conciliation the arrears
bill for example and other possible
measures will satisfy Ireland ?"
"They will certainly more than satis-
fy the great majority of the Irish
people; but nothing of course will
ever content the professional agitators
who are supported by Irish-American
funds. Their occupation would be
gone with a perfectly-contented Ire-
land and it is the duty of any govern-
ment while giving reforms to Ireland
to hold the country with a strong grip
assuring to every honest and loyal citi-
zen the proper protection of his rights
and privileges an J assuring the prompt
punishment of all who outrage public
liberty and freedom."
"Coming back to the Phcenix park
tragedy do you believe the murderers
were Irish-Americans?"
"That is hard to say ; but my opin-
ion is they were g Several days before
the crime I noticed in one of the back
streets of Dublin a car driven by a
square-shouldered somewhat fonign-
looking man and I was attracted to
him by the character of his hois8. It
had to me all the appearance of a f st
American trotter; it was going along
at a spanking pace; the car was a
common-place one the man an ill-
looking ruffian. What surprised me
was that such a man should be driving
such a horse and in such a car. The
color of the animal was a liht chest-
nut and I have reason to know that
in offering their reward the police
added to their original description of a
bay hoi.se the supplementary sugges'ion
of a light brown or chestnut. That
horse so far as I could learn had
never been eeen since the day I first
saw it; and I can't help thinking that
there is
GREAT PROBABILITY IN THE THEORY
that the assassination was committed
on the lines of what the Americans
call the butcher's cart system' which
by the way has been described by one
of the chiefs of the New York police
who evidently thinks it possible that
the crime is the work of Irish-Americans
from New York."
"You know Dublin so well and have
such opportunities of feeling the pulse
of official and public opinion that I
should like to know what you think as
to the present whereabouts of the mur
derers. It is believed I think by the
London police that the men are still in
Dublin."
"With the start the Dublin police
gave them the men would have so
many opportunities of escape that it is
difficult to answer your question. The
theory of a friend of mine in Dublin
is that the men got out to sea in a boat
not for the purpose of boarding an At-
lantic steamer which is an idiotic
idea but possibly by arrangement
with some collier trading perhaps to
Sunderland or some northern port.
Many Irishmen are engaged in work-
ing these vessel; it would be quite
easy for four or Ave men to get aboard
change their clothes and travel to
Newcastle or Sunderland or anywhere
else as coal-porters or men engaged
upon these miscellaneous and numer-
ous craft. Another view is that they
reached a house appointed for their
reception where they washed and as-
sumed disguises if necessary and be-
came part of the ordinary population
of the town. Judging from the course
which the car is known to have taken
I should imagine that the men got
down singly en route. It would be
impossible in a certain quarter through
which they passed to have driven a
loaded car rapidly the streets would
bo blocked by market traffic; and I
should think there is little doubt that
at various points the men got down
each individual working out his own
escape. But there can be no doubt
that there are a great many people who
know where the horse was put up and
what has become of the car.
It is clear
THE HORSE WAS A REMARKABLE ONE;
it was noticed as such by those who
saw it ; such a horse must have had a
stable well known to persons living ad-
jacent and if the detective force of
Dublin had been thoroughly efficient
they ought to have discovered that
stable and that horse within a few
hours of the murder. Ai to the color
of the panel in the back of the car of
which so much is made that was evi-
dently a 4plant.' On reaching its desti-
nation a fresh panel would be put in
or possibly some bit of colored linn
may have been pasted at the back of
the car to be removed immediately
afterward. One of the most important
outcomes of the murder must be the
reorganization of the constabulary and
detective police of Ireland."
"There is a good deal of difference
of opinion as to the character of this
murder whether it was agrarian or po-
litical. What is your opinion?"
"That it was political ; and for this
reason: If it had only been intended to
murder Mr. Burke that would have
been agrarian; but Mr. Burke could
have been got at any time. Mr. Burke
might have been shot or stabbed a
week before or a year before or any
night or morning; his movements were
well known by everybody. The crime
was political ; the intention undoubtedly
was to sacrifice Lord Cavendish the
moment he put his foot in Ireland not
on account of any personal hostility to
him but to render impossible any
alliance between the Land league and
the government. It was as much a
blow at the Parnell party as at Mr.
Gladstone's cabinet. If Mr. Burke had
not come up at the moment he would
have been alive now; and although
some people affect to sneer at Mr.
Parnell's claim for police protection
depend upon it his life is in danger.
The Irish-American OIXmovan-Hossa
section want no compromise; they
have only one idea the repeal of the
union an independent Ireland in-
spired by everlasting hostility to Eng-
land. They aro irreconcilable. Noth-
ing can be done with them but to take
them by the throat and choke them.
They aie the curse of my country and
if you polled Ireland thiough to-morrow
you would And that assured of
personal security the great body of
the Irish people is dead against the
murdering villains who make capital
out of our misfortunes'." J. II.
The flood in the upper Delaware and
tributaries continues and an unusually
largo quantity of timber is being rafted to
tide water.
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