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I'm CWW West and we're interviewing

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Marshall Foley

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We're going to learn all about the Foley family

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About Marshall and about early you fall and

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incidentally we'll come in probably with some

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of early Muskogee

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So we have a lot of history involved here. Of

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course. We asked Mr

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Foley to bring some photographs and he didn't

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bring many but we'll see what we can do with

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what we have

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so Marshall

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Let's just start off by telling me

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Where your daddy came from and how when he came

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to this part of the country and a little about

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his Muskogee

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Experience and before he came on down to your father

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he was born in

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1854 in Davenport, Iowa on the Mississippi

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River and he came

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Of course, it's always understood. He came

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working on the railroad, but after reading some

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of his letters and thing

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I'm convinced that he and Roberts and Madison

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Came from St. Louis on a pastor train instead

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of driving rails. That's my

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idea of it he came to Muskogee in 1872

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Working for Atkins. I believe Atkinson at who

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who was a partner evidently later of Rob

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Yeah, and he

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Served meals for the railroad people as well.

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So is that correct? I think that's right and he

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worked for him until

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70 I believe we went to work for passions in 1876

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So the so you say and in your write-up and he

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worked there till

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1881 for Patterson

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And then pass and send him to either Chicago

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you follow to put in the store

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He stopped and stayed all night in Chicago one

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night as I understand it

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And he came on to you follow the next day and

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put a store in here

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That faced the railroad

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Back in those days and that was a picture of

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that railroad. Yes, Sir

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1881 when he came to you fall and

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And put in the

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Patterson put him in business

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Patterson and Foley it's listed on the on the

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bill on the store and they stayed there until

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the fire in 1898

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but during that time he

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He's he sold his store to

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CH telly

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who came here and

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He put in a bank first bank and then you follow.

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I was I don't think it's the first in any

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territory and

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Put the bank in in February open in February of

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1898 and it burned in December

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1898 and then's when the town moved to what it

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where it's located now

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and built the Foley building, which is

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rather says two-story, but it's three-story

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building and put a bank in there and opened it in

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1899 when he got when he was finished and

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He had lots. Well according to the write-ups

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and things he had he had about three-fourths of

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the say of what happened to you

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Follin those early years

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people I know

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Burton who came here

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Working for

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Work for him when he's 16 years old and then

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later on with dad put him in Venice

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and eight nineteen and one I believe when when

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he went into Venice and

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And so he's he's helped lots of people in the

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early days and was the backbone of you follow

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You follow he got the oil mill cotton oil mill here

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He had gins name and he made his I read

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articles. I find out that I believe he made

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most of his money

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Through buying and selling cotton. I say in

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those days because when the sharecropper came

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why the people that own land begin to make

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money through from from night from

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1900 clear through to the 20s when the bottom

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dropped out and left cotton in the fields

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Incidentally back in these early days they

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referred to you fall as you fold it sometime

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didn't it? Yeah

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at one of the couch the papers listed him as Mr.

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You fall you Foley of

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Instead of the you fall name

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because he was he was the

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Well, he was the ramrod and of course in

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1898 when they cooperated the town he became

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the first mayor

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But then then he he didn't get married till 19 and

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19 and two or no 19 one. He got married 19 one

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to Rosie Whitlow. Tell me about your mother and

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Her coming here and

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a little bit about her and her

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Ancestors. Yeah. Well, of course she always

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claimed that she was Kin to Chief Justice Marshall

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Of course when we've grown up that that didn't

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mean much to us

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Now it means the whole lot but that time it

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didn't mean the thing

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but she she was she was born in Illinois

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Can you think where's the University of Illinois?

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That's where she's born. I forgot forgotten the

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name of it now, but yeah, she's born in

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Illinois and her daddy and

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Two brothers that I know of came to this

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country on in a hack wagon where he traded

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Dispanned for quarter beans or a gallon of

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beans or something and and he comes to North

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McAlester where he located and

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Then and I don't know what year I never have

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found his grave yet

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But he died and McAlester was buried there, but

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she came to you fall in 1888

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Who did she live with? She lived with G.W.

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Grayson. That's a famous

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G.W. Grayson wrote the book about it. Yeah, and

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She lived with them for six years. She came

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here. She's 15 years old. So she's

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About 20 years old or 19 years old when she got married

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She married Willie Whitlow who was a recorder

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for the Creek Nation

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where they record the books, you know, or

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something keep a record of it and

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And he had TB and he died in 18 and

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In 98 I believe

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No, it was after that

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1899 when he died and

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Then she married C.E. Foley in 1901

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But there were two boys in that marriage. It

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was Ralph Whitlow and Lil Whitlow

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Lil was born in 1894 and Ralph in 1897. So she

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married in about 90

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Had to be married in 95 according to 93

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About 1893 is when she married and

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She lived with the Grayson's about six years

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and then she lived

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Right across from City Hall where the film

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station is was their home place a little

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Five room White House with a front porch in it

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for a while front porch running all across the

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east and back on the south

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And had a back porch on it because we used to

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go down there when she's rented out somebody we

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Authorized one had to do the cleaning up

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So we knew that house quite well, but she lived

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there until she married and then

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The Foley home was in the Foley Avenue

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Was supposed to have been built right due south

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of the where the Baptist Church is now

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That was the old Tully home on that side and

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the Foley hole supposed to be up being built on

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that block up there

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And the mother one day went up the hill that

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that mountain up there belonged to her husband

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That was his government a lot one hundred and

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sixty acres

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so she went up there and found a big rock and

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sat down on that rock and

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And told that daddy that she wanted to build a

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home up there and stood over on that

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cross from Tully Jenna called Foley Mountain and

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They of course they built that house and moved

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in it in

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19 and

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Two I believe they moved in that house and

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Connie is born in 1903

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Then there's another boy born before me that died

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14 days after he's buried after he's born and

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Then I was born

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1907 and Arthur was born in 1909

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We hadn't there was Leo and Ralph and three of us

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Raised on that mountain and

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Now you have a picture of that we can have

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later don't you yes, I picture the whole

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Month and we we had one for time up there

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I think it'd be well to stop now and and do

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some of these pictures that we have

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have available and let

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Marshall sort of tell about them because

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He has some very interesting pictures, and

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it'll go in with the audio. I think very good That's

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The old Ingham hope the hotel on the first

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hotels built facing the railroad

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After 1873

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Because he was the first I believe it's about

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the first building bill over there

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I think a motel that's

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I can't tell what that name is that Grayson

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store two names. I don't know who that is now

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Can't see that name up there it says

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The CG Moore drug stores in there

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Where he was the first druggist here back in there

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Passed some Foley building

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We've already passed it ever

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There is there

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He's got that funny top on

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Yeah, that is that's past the Foley building

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come here in 1881 and

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And I took a magnifying glass tried to find my

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dad in there, but I can't I

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Couldn't find him. Yeah. Well you you got down

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close on them to try

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To see who was in there and couldn't figure out

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who it is

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But that's the old fashion Foley come here in 1881

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Put my dad in business and my understanding he

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Run it for about a year. He's merchandising in

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the territory of Muskogee come there in

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1872 I believe when he came to Muskogee

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Parson my dad come there in 1872 also

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So what they didn't he didn't work for

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passenger in 1876

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This is passion Foley building that my dad put

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in an 81 and and

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He sold out to CH telly and 98 and then he put

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in a bank

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At the end this but I don't know where the bank

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was located

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This is

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CG Moore's drugstore the first drugstore in in

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the fall at that time and

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Even back in the in the 20s when I come along

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He still had a drugstore in you fall and he

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married Bob Simpson's sister

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See you more

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This is

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This is the you fall

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Foley hotel built in 1899

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I'll see you Foley and

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It's a three-story hotel

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The bank is in the ground floor and then to to

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rules the rent to to office the rent below and

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In the basement of the building on the back on

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the West Corner was a barbershop

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So try some nigger man

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He had a barbershop down there underneath the

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bank in the basement there and now on around

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the wall

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He had a mug for each customer the name on it

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and in a pigeonhole where they kept it there

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And he must have had 50 60 because everybody

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went to the barber and it back in those days

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There's two colored filler on that for years

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and years. They cut my hair. I know till I was

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10 or 15 years old

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down there and

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In the bank the bank there. It was robbed one time

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And I don't know how much they got and everything

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Is back when they had?

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powered gold and silver

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for exchange and

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The Fella got in must have had a key because he

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didn't break in and

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Stole and in the drawer he pulled out and got

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what he got

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Sold and there's 2 drawers in that section and

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then in the bottom of it was $30,000 worth of gold

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Now my daddy's office is right above the bank

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Door there upstairs a second floor was his

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office and the third floor up was where he lived

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until he got married up on the third floor and

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right in the front there and

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He didn't live there very long was built in 99

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he got married in 1901 so he didn't have much

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living to do up there

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but then the buildings on north of that

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building was I

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Just don't know who built the

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First building it was built for one story and

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later on to build a second floor on it

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And then the next building I know was built by

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C.H. Telly because he got his name on the top

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of it

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and he built that and and I think it was an

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opera house when it was really built and

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Then on north of that is it looked like a tent

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tent or something put out there

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But you know it's the wagon team horses there

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and dirt dirt floor dirt road

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Then the building on the end down there was

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built by smocking board board ended up in Muskogee

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and he built that building and I had an office

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there they had a

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Real estate and insurance office up there, and

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it's still standing just like it originally was

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And then back over behind that building a

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little bit north you can see the top of the

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roof there. That's the Telly

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Foley cotton gym see it back there in the back

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And they and the Telly's owned all the property

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from there clear up to the mountain

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And they used to bail cotton and keep it up

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there on the mountain and we kids play on it.

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There'd be 60 70

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Bails of cotton all across that. Yeah, and we'd

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play in that cotton

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This is a colored picture in the Foley building

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and later on you notice on and in the Foley building

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All the way around the building that that was I

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bound to been up in the

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30s 30s or 40s when that was all taking place

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now the bank building then at that time

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Was owned by Bob Simpson. He bought the bank

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just the bank building part

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And he was had the State National bank there

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for years and years

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And my dad sold it to him for $6,000

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And he bought the bank. He bought the bank

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for $6,000

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Then that that flagpole up there at that time

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Was was getting rotten and we had to take it down

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So it took about six or seven men up there with

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two or three ladders to

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Get an angle on it put ropes around it and saw

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it off and bring it down

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Slow easy, you know see knocking the hole in

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the roof

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So we had a time with that

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And then you see there on the on the west on

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the on the east side of the building

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In the other picture it had a porch there

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But you there wasn't any door to the porch

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You had to crawl through a window to get on

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that porch, but I noticed in this picture. It's

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taken down

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But it got so

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Rotten everything had to take it down for protection

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back in those days

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This up there in the third floor where that

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board is in the window

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In 1928

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Uh, of course Miller and I was married in 27

345
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I come home from Roswell. We

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kept a secret for a year and

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And we had to tell it and tell it so it was

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sitting the secret was all over

349
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And up where that board is up there. We

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We didn't have a place to live so her dad said

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we could have that up where he used to live

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And we took and took a room on the west side

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And two rooms on the north side and made in

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bedrooms and a kitchen and that's where we

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made our home up there and

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And Saturday night was a big night you follow

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all country towns

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And we every Saturday night we'd have

359
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All 10 or 12 people come up and set a set in

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the windows up there to watch people on the street

361
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On down down, of course, most everybody went to

362
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picture on Saturday night

363
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But we'd always have company and we thought

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we'd have something by ourselves

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Up there at that time we found out that every

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Saturday night we had company

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Well, we liked it or not and then in the

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summertime when it got hot

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Which it was hot up there. We didn't have an

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air conditioner but a fan

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We as a stairway up to that up on the roof

372
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So we went up there and took our mattresses and

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put on top of the roof and slept on the roof in

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the in the summertime

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Of course, it would be hot up there till about

376
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eight or 9:00

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And then when the sun was gone, it was cool up

378
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there. So we we slept on the roof of that building

379
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That summer summer of 1927 28

380
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All right, now that's what kind of stuff

381
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Kind of stuff. Yeah. Well, that's not and then

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on top of that to furnish that thing, you know

383
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Apples and oranges used to come in crates, you

384
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know wood crates

385
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So we didn't have it had nothing but a stove in

386
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there and in the kitchen and a table

387
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So we got these crates and put around the wall

388
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and put them on top

389
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He's here for shells and put them up there

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about four or five high then Miller took a

391
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little curtain rod and put a curtain around so we

392
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We we furnished that with with throwaway merchandise

393
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You see I my wife and I when we first married

394
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were in an attic that had just exposed the

395
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raster and so on

396
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We didn't have much in the way of

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of furniture

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All Ce Foley is born in 1854

399
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Came to Skog in 1872

400
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And this has bound to been a picture taken back

401
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in those in that time because I don't ever

402
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remember him with a mustache

403
00:21:39.079 --> 00:21:40.359
at all

404
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He wore high collars

405
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And you can see in this picture his hair is

406
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kind of flat where a while ago

407
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We was trying to locate him. It didn't his hair

408
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didn't look like him

409
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This is the E Foley Senior

410
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And this is back when he had a mustache. I

411
00:22:00.200 --> 00:22:05.319
don't ever remember him having a mustache but

412
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He came to Muskogee in

413
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And doug West says this is about 19 and two

414
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Tell me about his uh

415
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Going to dances at honey spring. He and he and

416
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his Robertson Masson

417
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Would catch a freight train Muskogee down to

418
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honey springs to go on Saturday night to go to dances

419
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Coming back from the dance

420
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They get on another freight train which ride

421
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back and coming back one night

422
00:22:39.799 --> 00:22:41.799
I think it was Masson

423
00:22:41.799 --> 00:22:44.599
Had a brand new hat he bought and it blew off

424
00:22:44.680 --> 00:22:47.359
So he got off the train about halfway with the

425
00:22:47.359 --> 00:22:50.039
Muskogee to get his hat and walked in I guess

426
00:22:50.119 --> 00:22:52.119
I don't know how she got there

427
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But they used to go to honey springs for dances

428
00:22:54.250 --> 00:22:56.380
for Adam Muskogee

429
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This my mother was rosie witlow Foley

430
00:23:02.519 --> 00:23:05.319
She uh married willie witlow on the first marriage

431
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And the second marriage she married Ce Foley Senior

432
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and she had

433
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four boys by

434
00:23:12.920 --> 00:23:14.920
Ce Foley Senior

435
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Connie and then a son that passed away and then

436
00:23:19.759 --> 00:23:22.759
Marshall and author and

437
00:23:23.559 --> 00:23:26.920
She was born in Davenport. I know she was born in

438
00:23:30.440 --> 00:23:32.200
Champaign Illinois

439
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and in 1873

440
00:23:35.160 --> 00:23:39.559
And came to Ufala in 1888 living with Gw Stidham

441
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For six years and then marrying willie witlow

442
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My mother my mother always claimed

443
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That she was Kin to John

444
00:23:49.559 --> 00:23:51.559
Marshall the chief justice

445
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And of course I've never been able to check it out

446
00:23:55.160 --> 00:23:56.799
Hope someday to find it. I don't know but she

447
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claimed to be Kin to

448
00:23:59.400 --> 00:24:01.400
Justice Chief Justice Marshall

449
00:24:01.960 --> 00:24:03.960
and she also

450
00:24:04.279 --> 00:24:06.279
in 1911 took

451
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Five boys and she and her husband went to

452
00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:12.480
uh, London Liverpool London and lived for a

453
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year and a half

454
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And of course Leon Ralph and Connie were in

455
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school with author and I were

456
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Four and two years old and come back when we

457
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were six

458
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And four years old

459
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You talk you think about someone taking care of

460
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kids now

461
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They had had had the mind or not mind or

462
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something because she took care of all the kids

463
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Because my dad made made a trip back

464
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from over there back here twice

465
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This is marshall and author

466
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Uh back in we must have been about I must have

467
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been about seven

468
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Seven eight years old and this is a costume

469
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that we use for the maytag for me may Paul

470
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dancing and things

471
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and uh

472
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You can tell by the costumes. I don't know what

473
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you'll call them

474
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pioneer or something

475
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but you notice the shoes and

476
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And also got white socks on I got on black socks

477
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so I I don't

478
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I don't don't remember much about that. I remember

479
00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:23.960
Dancing a maypole, but I don't remember the

480
00:25:23.960 --> 00:25:25.960
costumes very much

481
00:25:27.960 --> 00:25:30.920
Oh, it was it was a big time of the year maypole

482
00:25:30.920 --> 00:25:33.720
Uh school was out and we'd have a maypole over

483
00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:36.519
here. But the where the depot used to be

484
00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:39.519
And that was I I imagine they're about seven or

485
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eight years old

486
00:25:43.319 --> 00:25:45.480
That that's back when I was doing a lot of fighting

487
00:25:47.000 --> 00:25:49.119
Get a whipping for fighting in school every

488
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about every week

489
00:25:53.799 --> 00:25:56.720
I understand you boys gave them a lot of

490
00:25:56.720 --> 00:26:01.400
problems the Foley brothers was known as as

491
00:26:01.400 --> 00:26:04.119
roughest people in new fall boys we

492
00:26:05.240 --> 00:26:08.240
We got whipped a lot. I'll agree with that. But

493
00:26:08.240 --> 00:26:11.240
some we give them a run for their money

494
00:26:12.519 --> 00:26:15.160
And when I get a whipping school, I get one at home

495
00:26:16.759 --> 00:26:18.799
So I finally quit that in about the fourth or

496
00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:20.839
fifth grade

497
00:26:21.880 --> 00:26:23.880
I got getting too many whippings

498
00:26:24.440 --> 00:26:26.599
And bloody no, you know, it's my nose kind of

499
00:26:26.599 --> 00:26:28.680
It flat anyhow, and it's

500
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Boys beating on me hitting me

501
00:26:31.799 --> 00:26:39.000
But we we in we had a big time potential

502
00:26:39.079 --> 00:26:42.200
All right, this this is the Foley House bill on

503
00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:45.319
Foley Hill back in 1901 and

504
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In in front of the house there is my daddy

505
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holding connie

506
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To see if all that holding his first son Connie

507
00:26:53.819 --> 00:26:56.380
Foley Jr

508
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And about 19 and four this would be

509
00:27:07.339 --> 00:27:09.339
house was built on the Foley Hill

510
00:27:11.740 --> 00:27:15.740
19 and one I believe 19 one. This is 1904

511
00:27:15.740 --> 00:27:21.019
Because Connie was born in 1903 and uh,

512
00:27:22.140 --> 00:27:24.140
Now you want to move on to some

513
00:27:25.660 --> 00:27:28.779
This is my mother miss Roly Foley and

514
00:27:30.299 --> 00:27:32.246
Uh, you notice all the flowers around

515
00:27:32.246 --> 00:27:34.193
everything that she she was she and Lizzie

516
00:27:34.193 --> 00:27:36.140
worked all these flowers

517
00:27:36.299 --> 00:27:38.299
But Jesse helping some

518
00:27:38.299 --> 00:27:40.299
but uh

519
00:27:40.299 --> 00:27:42.339
She there that look that picture looks about

520
00:27:42.339 --> 00:27:44.380
like her her other picture

521
00:27:45.819 --> 00:27:47.819
And she's uh, she's a worker

522
00:27:48.380 --> 00:27:50.380
From the time of the beginning of the end

523
00:27:50.859 --> 00:27:53.140
And this is you notice the flower pots around.

524
00:27:53.140 --> 00:27:55.420
This is the north side of the house

525
00:27:56.059 --> 00:27:58.059
Now up there on that balcony

526
00:27:58.460 --> 00:27:59.766
Uh, you had to crawl through a window to get

527
00:27:59.766 --> 00:28:02.380
into that. I don't know why they even built it there

528
00:28:03.099 --> 00:28:04.740
But anyhow, they did because you have to crawl

529
00:28:04.740 --> 00:28:06.380
through a window to get into that balcony

530
00:28:06.380 --> 00:28:09.700
And back in the back there on the other side of

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00:28:09.700 --> 00:28:13.019
the porch is where our floor furnace was coal

532
00:28:13.579 --> 00:28:15.579
and I know uh

533
00:28:15.740 --> 00:28:18.460
When we was kids, we'd always go down that coal sheet

534
00:28:19.180 --> 00:28:21.980
And come back dirty as a hog and we'd have to

535
00:28:23.339 --> 00:28:25.019
She'd have to put us out to dry, but it was

536
00:28:25.019 --> 00:28:26.700
right behind that

537
00:28:27.420 --> 00:28:29.900
Column there and then that that colored woman

538
00:28:29.900 --> 00:28:32.380
stand back there as lizzie

539
00:28:32.380 --> 00:28:35.299
and uh, she lived in the quarter a quarter

540
00:28:35.299 --> 00:28:38.220
house back behind the hair she and Jesse

541
00:28:39.019 --> 00:28:40.869
And lizzie helped my mother with the cooking

542
00:28:40.869 --> 00:28:42.720
and washing everything

543
00:28:45.019 --> 00:28:47.339
But that's the north side of the Foley House

544
00:28:47.579 --> 00:28:50.180
They were wittler on the tricycle and that's

545
00:28:50.180 --> 00:28:52.779
old dog Dan there laying beside him

546
00:28:54.380 --> 00:28:56.380
Leo was the oldest of the

547
00:28:56.940 --> 00:28:58.940
the old group of people that were

548
00:28:58.940 --> 00:29:01.099
Leo was the oldest of the of the old group.

549
00:29:01.099 --> 00:29:06.759
He's born in 1894

550
00:29:06.779 --> 00:29:08.299
and uh

551
00:29:08.299 --> 00:29:10.309
And then his brother his brother Ralph was born

552
00:29:10.309 --> 00:29:12.319
in 1897

553
00:29:13.819 --> 00:29:14.859
but uh

554
00:29:14.859 --> 00:29:16.859
Leo there looks kind of fat to me

555
00:29:17.660 --> 00:29:18.859
to be a

556
00:29:18.859 --> 00:29:20.859
Well, he'd be what he'd be

557
00:29:21.500 --> 00:29:23.859
Six he'd be four be about about eight nine

558
00:29:23.859 --> 00:29:26.220
years old there in that picture

559
00:29:26.220 --> 00:29:28.720
Okay, he's born in 94

560
00:29:30.700 --> 00:29:32.859
That's four that's about 10 year old boy

561
00:29:35.819 --> 00:29:37.339
This is uh

562
00:29:37.339 --> 00:29:38.940
Ralph Whitlow

563
00:29:38.940 --> 00:29:41.259
In the Surrey drive driving howard and Sam with

564
00:29:41.259 --> 00:29:43.579
two horses

565
00:29:44.299 --> 00:29:47.099
And that's Jesse Jackson and they stand there beside

566
00:29:47.900 --> 00:29:49.500
And he was he lived in the back of the in the

567
00:29:49.500 --> 00:29:51.099
quarter house

568
00:29:52.059 --> 00:29:53.740
and uh

569
00:29:53.740 --> 00:29:56.380
Ralph Ralph looked like he got uh,

570
00:29:57.660 --> 00:29:59.660
I don't know pads or

571
00:29:59.660 --> 00:30:01.553
Lettuce a lace that's a lace lace collar on

572
00:30:01.553 --> 00:30:03.446
there. I imagine because they used to wear

573
00:30:03.446 --> 00:30:05.339
those, you know

574
00:30:06.220 --> 00:30:08.700
so he's dressed up for Sunday there and

575
00:30:09.980 --> 00:30:11.980
Jesse's got on his jacket and I don't remember

576
00:30:11.980 --> 00:30:13.980
wearing a jacket when I come along

577
00:30:13.980 --> 00:30:17.740
Oh, I don't know where you get the garage in

578
00:30:17.740 --> 00:30:21.500
that and I'll swing it to the the other way

579
00:30:23.819 --> 00:30:25.579
That yes, that's against the garden thing, but

580
00:30:25.579 --> 00:30:27.339
the other way is the garage

581
00:30:29.420 --> 00:30:31.420
That uh

582
00:30:32.380 --> 00:30:35.200
That's the flower garden house she built over there

583
00:30:43.200 --> 00:30:45.920
Well, they don't uh, well it shows the barn

584
00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:48.640
back there but don't show the garage

585
00:30:53.599 --> 00:30:56.119
This this is the Foley's house when when we had

586
00:30:56.119 --> 00:30:58.640
the company we usually had this company

587
00:30:59.279 --> 00:31:01.000
The year around especially in the summer and

588
00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:02.720
winter time

589
00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:05.119
Um, this is in the winter when we all had a

590
00:31:05.119 --> 00:31:07.519
good snow and we use

591
00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:10.559
used the Foley road for

592
00:31:11.740 --> 00:31:14.230
sleigh riding and this group here is right up

593
00:31:14.230 --> 00:31:16.720
there top of the hill you can see our

594
00:31:17.279 --> 00:31:20.480
Our play pins and stuff where we had a bar and everything

595
00:31:21.180 --> 00:31:23.509
crossbar to chin herself and this and that and

596
00:31:23.509 --> 00:31:25.839
this is a group that

597
00:31:27.039 --> 00:31:29.519
Usually most of them are there most every weekend

598
00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:32.880
Uh playing and carrying on and you notice Jim

599
00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:36.240
Jim's got his shotgun with him

600
00:31:36.799 --> 00:31:39.519
So he he just come in on us. He's been hunting

601
00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:42.799
You see he's got his shotgun. He's a Jim was a

602
00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:45.279
great hunter and rabbit hunter and coon hunter

603
00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:48.000
And everything else. This is Jim o'reilly on

604
00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:50.000
the left of the picture

605
00:31:50.799 --> 00:31:52.720
and the next one is

606
00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:54.680
Dee wicker and then the big tall boy is a

607
00:31:54.680 --> 00:31:56.640
paterson boy

608
00:31:56.640 --> 00:32:00.079
And then Kenneth Swartwood's the next boy

609
00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:04.240
And I can't place the next three boys

610
00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:07.680
I can't make out who they are but the one on

611
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:09.599
the bottom with the

612
00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:12.640
Chin snap on his pill tossing

613
00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:15.680
and the next and over

614
00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:19.000
Is Marshall thole laying on a sled there and

615
00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:21.440
then there's uh,

616
00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:24.133
Uh, I don't know who that that's author

617
00:32:24.133 --> 00:32:26.826
sticking his head around there then the next

618
00:32:26.826 --> 00:32:29.519
one over is uh,

619
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:31.920
Is bill Israel

620
00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:33.920
Chinera Israel's boy

621
00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:37.920
This is just a play time for us back in those

622
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:40.400
days and that hill right right on up the house

623
00:32:40.400 --> 00:32:42.880
there where that

624
00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:47.160
Grade drops down. It's about two and a half or

625
00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:49.279
three foot about three foot up there

626
00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:51.279
And we get up on that

627
00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:53.279
Up in the yard and come off those things.

628
00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:54.720
There's four of them

629
00:32:55.359 --> 00:32:57.680
And we come off those and jump through the air

630
00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:00.720
A lot of times we'd mess up

631
00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:04.000
But that was the fun of it

632
00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:06.400
But then we had a big time up there and that

633
00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:08.799
group of boys there was there practically ever

634
00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:11.119
Every day when we was doing something

635
00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:15.200
Well come time to eat why they'd ring the bell

636
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:17.359
and we'd all go eat

637
00:33:17.359 --> 00:33:19.200
The whole bunch eat in the kitchen on the

638
00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:21.039
kitchen table

639
00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:24.799
We fed them all although Jim Jim come in on us

640
00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:28.960
there because he's got a gun. We none of us got guns

641
00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:32.359
This is another picture of the Foley House

642
00:33:32.359 --> 00:33:34.240
after they built the sleeping porch on

643
00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:36.799
And that's where author and I slept and then

644
00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:38.559
the other building back over on the floor is

645
00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:40.319
the garage where they

646
00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:44.200
Dug a hole in the center of it to work under

647
00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:46.640
you know had dug out about 2 feet 2.5 foot deep

648
00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:49.000
So you can get on your man's knees and work on

649
00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:51.359
your car

650
00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:54.106
And that's that's the garage and that sleeping

651
00:33:54.106 --> 00:33:56.053
porch is where author and I slept up there had

652
00:33:56.053 --> 00:33:58.000
three beds in it

653
00:33:59.839 --> 00:34:01.839
Then the fish pond is where those

654
00:34:03.519 --> 00:34:05.799
Big stone things ours right there. We used to

655
00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:08.079
have goldfish in there

656
00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:10.800
That'd be weigh 5 or 6 pounds and about 10 12 inches

657
00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:13.519
long goldfish

658
00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:15.893
And the mother had that and then the flower

659
00:34:15.893 --> 00:34:18.266
beds around there and all that and then on the

660
00:34:18.266 --> 00:34:20.639
north side of the house there

661
00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:22.320
she had a

662
00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:24.320
flower house where she built a

663
00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:26.400
a porch on it and

664
00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:30.159
And had flowers out there and on the south side

665
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:32.159
of the house

666
00:34:33.360 --> 00:34:34.719
She had a

667
00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:36.960
Birdhouse where she had she always kept about

668
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:39.199
30 40 canaries

669
00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:41.559
Oh my and she'd give them to people just mail

670
00:34:41.559 --> 00:34:43.920
and she mailed some back to Illinois and around

671
00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:47.119
And she had an old red bird that's in the cage

672
00:34:47.119 --> 00:34:49.760
kept him in a cage and we had blue birds

673
00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:51.840
Of course, they'd turn loose with the

674
00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:54.079
Canaries in there and I know

675
00:34:55.099 --> 00:34:58.239
Every day we had to clean out that birdhouse

676
00:34:58.880 --> 00:35:00.906
There is every day where it worked. Of course.

677
00:35:00.906 --> 00:35:02.933
I had it wherever it turned on turn the holes

678
00:35:02.933 --> 00:35:04.960
in it and just work

679
00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:08.079
Well, often I worked together

680
00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:11.119
Uh, we didn't wash dishes or do anything like that

681
00:35:11.119 --> 00:35:13.599
But we we'd always do in the paint now

682
00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:15.760
This is the flower house on the north you

683
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:17.920
notice in this picture wasn't in the other

684
00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:20.079
picture where she built a flower house out

685
00:35:20.079 --> 00:35:21.519
There right next to the house then she had

686
00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:22.960
another one

687
00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:25.760
off from the house about

688
00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:28.159
20 oh about 15 20 feet where another flower

689
00:35:28.159 --> 00:35:30.400
house was

690
00:35:31.039 --> 00:35:32.826
On the north side of that and then back on the

691
00:35:32.826 --> 00:35:36.400
other side of that had a big pond where we kept swans

692
00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:41.679
Ducks Geese Jenny's

693
00:35:41.679 --> 00:35:46.320
Had about 12 15 honey beehives

694
00:35:48.079 --> 00:35:50.079
those old swans

695
00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:52.719
They'd get a hold of you that hurt

696
00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:55.840
And geese the old goose get a hold of it hurt

697
00:35:56.719 --> 00:35:59.360
But we we had everything we raised rabbits had

698
00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:02.000
white rabbits had a pen back there for rabbits

699
00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:06.079
So we had everything a kid should have dogs and cats

700
00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:08.079
Those windows up there

701
00:36:08.079 --> 00:36:10.426
Uh, the two windows on top up there is the ball

702
00:36:10.426 --> 00:36:12.773
what we call the ballroom and that that one

703
00:36:12.773 --> 00:36:15.119
room right there was a round

704
00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:16.800
room where we had a

705
00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:18.239
table and played

706
00:36:18.239 --> 00:36:21.000
Dominoes and pitch and and just all kind of

707
00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:23.760
games up there and then the rest of it was a

708
00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:26.719
Hallway went full length the house where where

709
00:36:26.719 --> 00:36:29.360
Ralph Leo had dances up there

710
00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:33.519
And when they did back when we was growing up we

711
00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:36.039
We'd always climb up on the stairway and watch

712
00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:39.599
watch them dance for

713
00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:41.679
uh, we supposed to be in bed, but we'd go up

714
00:36:41.679 --> 00:36:43.760
there watch them dance and

715
00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:46.400
They'd go out and come back

716
00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:48.400
And come up with steps and we

717
00:36:48.800 --> 00:36:51.119
Often I'd make fun of them laugh at them

718
00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:53.466
They didn't know about it. We didn't laugh in

719
00:36:53.466 --> 00:36:55.173
front of them because it's Leo and Ralph and

720
00:36:55.173 --> 00:36:56.880
his crowd

721
00:36:57.440 --> 00:36:58.960
which was

722
00:36:58.960 --> 00:37:00.960
Got pretty wild at times

723
00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:03.400
So we had we had a big time up there often. I

724
00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:05.519
kind of worked in teams was

725
00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:08.159
two years difference in a year and a half

726
00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:10.239
and we uh

727
00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:12.239
We enjoyed it and worked hard

728
00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:15.599
played hard

729
00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:18.599
This is this is a picture of the Foley Home

730
00:37:18.599 --> 00:37:20.239
after the

731
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:23.920
Foley's all dead and gone it ended up and

732
00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:26.400
And Connie Foley owned the home and at this

733
00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:30.559
time my mother died and in

734
00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:34.639
And my dad died in 44 and they settled estate

735
00:37:35.440 --> 00:37:38.239
And Connie ended up with the home

736
00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:41.920
And he let it run down to this shape here

737
00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:45.860
And this this was just before it burned in in 1962

738
00:37:45.860 --> 00:37:49.500
1962 which you can see it's grown up the plane

739
00:37:49.500 --> 00:37:53.139
grown up and I know Leo come by one night

740
00:37:53.380 --> 00:37:55.380
About 3:00 in the morning

741
00:37:55.460 --> 00:37:57.619
And said uh, come on watch let's go watch the

742
00:37:57.619 --> 00:37:59.780
House Home home place burn up

743
00:38:00.340 --> 00:38:03.139
So we went up there and stood on the south side

744
00:38:03.139 --> 00:38:05.940
and didn't didn't even turn the water on at all

745
00:38:06.019 --> 00:38:08.380
It's so far gone fire department didn't and we

746
00:38:08.380 --> 00:38:13.119
stood there and watched it burn up in

747
00:38:14.980 --> 00:38:16.980
and burned to the ground

748
00:38:17.059 --> 00:38:19.059
and that's

749
00:38:19.059 --> 00:38:21.059
a mansion if if

750
00:38:21.219 --> 00:38:23.219
Connie had taken care of it

751
00:38:23.300 --> 00:38:25.500
It would have been a show place for the day

752
00:38:25.500 --> 00:38:27.699
because of course the telly home was a

753
00:38:28.659 --> 00:38:30.179
larger home

754
00:38:30.179 --> 00:38:32.179
and nicer home than this as far as

755
00:38:33.300 --> 00:38:36.380
The inside of it and everything but it was a

756
00:38:36.380 --> 00:38:39.460
beautiful home and it's just too bad that connie

757
00:38:39.460 --> 00:38:42.940
let whiskey take advantage of him and and just

758
00:38:42.940 --> 00:38:46.420
let it go to pieces and and then all the

759
00:38:46.980 --> 00:38:48.980
All the furniture and everything in it

760
00:38:49.300 --> 00:38:51.099
Was taken out before this happened because he'd

761
00:38:51.099 --> 00:38:52.900
moved a lot out

762
00:38:55.139 --> 00:38:56.699
He'd given away furniture to people this and

763
00:38:56.699 --> 00:38:58.260
that so

764
00:38:58.900 --> 00:39:00.553
A library. I don't know who ended up with the

765
00:39:00.553 --> 00:39:02.206
library. I have a few of the books that people

766
00:39:02.206 --> 00:39:03.860
brought to me

767
00:39:04.500 --> 00:39:06.739
that they're taking them up there and and

768
00:39:06.739 --> 00:39:08.739
uh, it just

769
00:39:09.219 --> 00:39:11.539
It's just a shame what what was destroyed

770
00:39:11.539 --> 00:39:13.860
before the fire come along people just carried

771
00:39:13.860 --> 00:39:16.179
out everything and go up there to visit

772
00:39:16.659 --> 00:39:18.900
I know one one time somebody

773
00:39:19.300 --> 00:39:20.980
Come by and had my hospital diploma sticking in

774
00:39:20.980 --> 00:39:22.659
the door and everybody know who who brought it

775
00:39:22.659 --> 00:39:24.340
to me

776
00:39:25.059 --> 00:39:27.059
And then another lady here said marshal. I

777
00:39:27.059 --> 00:39:29.059
picked up a skillet up there

778
00:39:29.699 --> 00:39:32.260
At the house old iron skillet. That's one of those

779
00:39:32.260 --> 00:39:35.469
14 inch skillets big skillets and and she

780
00:39:35.469 --> 00:39:38.679
wanted me to take it. That's alice. Gillum over here

781
00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:41.800
And I said no alice you you use it every day

782
00:39:41.800 --> 00:39:44.119
and I wouldn't use it and you just keep it

783
00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:46.199
So she kept the skillet

784
00:39:47.320 --> 00:39:49.320
It's a shame when alcohol

785
00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:53.400
Takes over and a Fella just don't have any

786
00:39:54.679 --> 00:39:56.840
Any responsibility for nothing?

787
00:39:57.480 --> 00:39:59.559
I tried I tried to get him to

788
00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:01.639
Uh, sell it to somebody for a home or or give

789
00:40:01.639 --> 00:40:03.719
it to somebody

790
00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:06.519
But he wouldn't do it

791
00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:10.860
And that's the way it ended up in burn 68-1962

792
00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:18.960
This is a pony and buggy that melted one in the

793
00:40:18.960 --> 00:40:21.639
contest from the

794
00:40:22.420 --> 00:40:24.420
descriptions of the phoenix and Muskogee

795
00:40:26.119 --> 00:40:27.719
in the buggy is

796
00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:30.306
Milled holding the lines and then the Dd Arbor

797
00:40:30.306 --> 00:40:35.480
in between and Stavella and the other Rl Turley Cousin

798
00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:38.280
And that's me Jarver holding the pony

799
00:40:40.039 --> 00:40:42.440
That that had to be back

800
00:40:43.639 --> 00:40:45.719
Well looking at the age I'd say this

801
00:40:47.239 --> 00:40:51.400
10 11 12 years old so that had to been in

802
00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:56.139
About 1915-16

803
00:40:58.840 --> 00:41:00.519
But uh

804
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:03.480
Mildred won it. She was a little curly-headed

805
00:41:03.480 --> 00:41:06.440
girl and had the picture in the phoenix

806
00:41:07.380 --> 00:41:10.110
Contest and everybody in the round here and

807
00:41:10.110 --> 00:41:12.840
Muskogee sent all their

808
00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:15.880
All their descriptions in for mildred yarber.

809
00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:20.199
That's how she wanted. She didn't she didn't do nothing

810
00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:22.199
They do it just the picture

811
00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:24.519
And that's what won the contest

812
00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:26.920
But that little shetland pony was

813
00:41:27.320 --> 00:41:29.039
Didn't stay long with him because he's so mean

814
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:30.760
he kicked and bite

815
00:41:33.159 --> 00:41:35.820
And so they got rid of him pretty good, yeah

816
00:41:41.800 --> 00:41:44.760
This is the 1923 football seat

817
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:47.960
uh 23 24 class

818
00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:52.119
And they they hold a record and you follow winning

819
00:41:52.659 --> 00:41:54.920
11 straight games losing none

820
00:41:55.960 --> 00:41:57.960
and this is a

821
00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:00.199
record that will hold for

822
00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:03.079
Century, I imagine up to now

823
00:42:03.800 --> 00:42:06.519
and the one still alive in the picture is

824
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:09.320
grizz simpson on the top row

825
00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:12.199
And Jepp Paul on the top row

826
00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:14.960
And come on down next door as marshal Foley is

827
00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:16.679
still alive

828
00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:18.920
Who's your right was still alive?

829
00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:22.119
And all the rest of them are dead and gone

830
00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:27.119
All the rest of them are dead and gone except

831
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:34.119
those four people this is the 23 season where we played

832
00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:36.760
Delaware I think Delaware up up there and

833
00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:39.266
Won every game and everything and they come

834
00:42:39.266 --> 00:42:41.133
down here to play we tried to play anybody and

835
00:42:41.133 --> 00:42:43.000
they wouldn't play us

836
00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:45.000
So I'll tell where I played us. We'll beat them

837
00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:47.000
58 to nothing. Oh, no

838
00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:53.639
I had 1923. Did you play Muskogee that year? No

839
00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:58.679
Well, now you beat Muskogee sometime in 25 25

840
00:42:59.800 --> 00:43:02.639
And you now you were a freshman this year in

841
00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:08.679
1923. Yeah, I had my first year 23

842
00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:11.159
Um, you were athlete of the year that year

843
00:43:11.159 --> 00:43:13.639
athlete of the year made over all those other

844
00:43:13.639 --> 00:43:16.119
boys. It's twice because I was

845
00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:20.386
So I had a pro with the press oh you you played

846
00:43:20.386 --> 00:43:22.893
another other athletic events. Well, yes, I

847
00:43:22.893 --> 00:43:25.400
played all events

848
00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:27.639
Took in all the events

849
00:43:27.639 --> 00:43:29.639
basketball track and baseball

850
00:43:31.480 --> 00:43:33.800
Now now we want to be sure to get author in on

851
00:43:33.800 --> 00:43:36.119
this because you

852
00:43:36.119 --> 00:43:39.239
You say he's better than you were. Yeah, but he

853
00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:42.360
comes in his freshman his freshman year is 24

854
00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:45.079
It's his first year

855
00:43:46.760 --> 00:43:49.000
This is the 1925 team which

856
00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:51.639
lost one game to

857
00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:54.599
Henry Ellis having nothing and tied one with Durant

858
00:43:55.320 --> 00:43:58.199
in 100 degree weather heat and weather

859
00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:01.800
in Durant

860
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:04.079
Played nothing to nothing. Although we we

861
00:44:04.079 --> 00:44:06.360
missed a field goal in the last

862
00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:11.719
minute of the game by a foot but

863
00:44:11.719 --> 00:44:15.320
Anyhow, there's nothing zero. I mean zero to zero

864
00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:19.320
the ones in the picture is

865
00:44:20.199 --> 00:44:21.920
Top there's Harry Hansen the coach Larry Kates

866
00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:23.639
the center

867
00:44:23.639 --> 00:44:26.493
Uh John Turner Center. Ernest day was a guard

868
00:44:26.493 --> 00:44:29.346
tony pondexter tackle. That's kate's a halfback.

869
00:44:29.346 --> 00:44:32.199
He's still living

870
00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:35.599
And boom Greenwood was a guard and then and pat

871
00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:38.199
o'reilly was a guard

872
00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:40.760
And Jeff Francis starting in middle

873
00:44:41.079 --> 00:44:43.079
Jeff Francis was tackle

874
00:44:46.760 --> 00:44:48.679
Okay tootsie car

875
00:44:48.679 --> 00:44:51.400
It's fullback and carter freer is a quarterback

876
00:44:51.400 --> 00:44:54.119
author Foley Halfback

877
00:44:54.519 --> 00:44:56.519
Mono brightman a halfback

878
00:44:56.840 --> 00:44:58.840
and marshal folio

879
00:44:58.840 --> 00:45:00.519
a halfback

880
00:45:00.519 --> 00:45:02.519
uh Tim Timity

881
00:45:03.159 --> 00:45:05.159
in and

882
00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:09.559
Emmett Coppitt's a tackle and then starting at

883
00:45:09.559 --> 00:45:12.760
the bottom line is Jack Ranzen on the end and

884
00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:19.159
McCombs Lee cruz mccombs and tackle and then 2

885
00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:24.599
dipkins of glory Jeff pile center. He's still alive

886
00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:27.480
Gris simpson the guard and he's still alive

887
00:45:28.280 --> 00:45:30.920
And Si Wilson tackled he's dead and gone and

888
00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:33.559
bill wells still alive lives

889
00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:36.440
South Carolina, and then the mascot was

890
00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:38.599
Joe Mckinney

891
00:45:38.599 --> 00:45:40.599
Who died here just the last?

892
00:45:41.079 --> 00:45:43.000
this last year

893
00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:47.000
so that's the 25 team that that

894
00:45:47.159 --> 00:45:50.039
Beat Muskogee seven nothing and oh, we may come

895
00:45:50.039 --> 00:45:52.920
down here with all our cadets and all the

896
00:45:53.880 --> 00:45:56.599
Players and two muskogee boys playing on the team

897
00:45:57.159 --> 00:45:59.719
And we beat them seven to nothing and jamison

898
00:45:59.719 --> 00:46:04.920
who coached here in 22 was coaching at

899
00:46:05.320 --> 00:46:07.320
Claremore and

900
00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:10.920
He the the first he started his second team

901
00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:13.880
against us and my brother author

902
00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:15.880
Took the ball

903
00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:18.639
Yeah, it took the ball on the 10 yard line and

904
00:46:18.639 --> 00:46:20.760
run 80 yards to the

905
00:46:21.400 --> 00:46:23.159
70 yards to the 80 to the 10 yard line where

906
00:46:23.159 --> 00:46:24.920
they tackle him

907
00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:27.119
And next play he took it over for touchdown

908
00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:28.679
seven to nothing

909
00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:32.760
Sweet jamison is over there and he's talked

910
00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:35.159
outside of the mouth and pulling grass

911
00:46:35.719 --> 00:46:38.519
And he sent his first team in after that

912
00:46:39.159 --> 00:46:41.719
And they never did get past our 50 yard line

913
00:46:41.719 --> 00:46:43.826
And you talk about a bunch of high school boys

914
00:46:43.826 --> 00:46:45.933
two three of them just finished Muskogee the

915
00:46:45.933 --> 00:46:48.039
year before

916
00:46:48.599 --> 00:46:51.000
They were playing and we played against them

917
00:46:51.400 --> 00:46:54.050
They beat us up there Muskogee 47-6 the year

918
00:46:54.050 --> 00:46:56.699
before when 24

919
00:46:57.320 --> 00:46:59.853
And we got to beat them down here and and they

920
00:46:59.853 --> 00:47:02.386
couldn't they couldn't make a first down hard

921
00:47:02.386 --> 00:47:04.920
and I'll tell you and and in size

922
00:47:04.920 --> 00:47:07.079
We were small compared to them and he sent that

923
00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:11.400
first team in and it looked like giants coming in

924
00:47:12.360 --> 00:47:13.760
And our little old boy just knocked the hell

925
00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:15.159
out of them

926
00:47:16.920 --> 00:47:19.159
And they went by they went home with their band

927
00:47:19.159 --> 00:47:21.400
and all the cadets on the special train they

928
00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:23.639
come down on so defeated

929
00:47:24.679 --> 00:47:26.920
And we're beating the Skogi up there

930
00:47:28.599 --> 00:47:30.280
Seven to nothing in that 25 team we went down

931
00:47:30.280 --> 00:47:31.960
to poto

932
00:47:31.960 --> 00:47:35.719
And beat them. I forgot what was 26 or 7

933
00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:39.760
Went to Muskogee and went to muskogee the next

934
00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:41.639
week and Muskogee had already beaten

935
00:47:42.280 --> 00:47:44.599
toss central Juano School board

936
00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:47.239
and I know they

937
00:47:48.119 --> 00:47:51.039
In in Muskogee paper, they hadn't had the coach

938
00:47:51.039 --> 00:47:53.960
Tom. Tom Stidham. It was uh

939
00:47:54.760 --> 00:47:56.199
Coaching it over you. I think or something he

940
00:47:56.199 --> 00:47:57.639
come over

941
00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:00.679
the week before

942
00:48:00.679 --> 00:48:03.920
Yeah up at Chicago with Chicago to to uh, help

943
00:48:03.920 --> 00:48:07.159
help with Chicago was playing ufa

944
00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:09.880
And that was in Chicago

945
00:48:11.159 --> 00:48:13.400
No, that was in 26 I'm getting mixed up

946
00:48:13.400 --> 00:48:15.346
That's 26 when they did that because Tom was

947
00:48:15.346 --> 00:48:17.293
coach over there in 26 I believe he just stayed

948
00:48:17.293 --> 00:48:19.239
one year

949
00:48:19.639 --> 00:48:21.599
And I'll tell you about that later, but uh,

950
00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:23.559
this team this team

951
00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:28.679
lost one to

952
00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:31.239
henretta over there and those two big old

953
00:48:31.800 --> 00:48:33.760
Twin brothers guards over there who are good

954
00:48:33.760 --> 00:48:35.719
and Pete Mitchell beat us

955
00:48:35.800 --> 00:48:37.746
He run 15 yards for touchdown in the mud. We

956
00:48:37.746 --> 00:48:39.693
played in the mud out here and he beat us and

957
00:48:39.693 --> 00:48:41.639
he's a

958
00:48:42.280 --> 00:48:45.559
He's a ransom boy who's Kin to half ufa people

959
00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:47.746
So he's one to beat us and he should have been

960
00:48:47.746 --> 00:48:51.960
in school here with us when he went to henretta and

961
00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:54.800
But that that was one of the good teams, but

962
00:48:54.800 --> 00:48:56.679
the 26 team was

963
00:48:56.679 --> 00:48:59.820
In my opinion because I was captain in 26

964
00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:02.840
So that's the best team

965
00:49:03.480 --> 00:49:05.400
This is the 1926 football team, which I was

966
00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:07.320
captain of the team

967
00:49:09.400 --> 00:49:11.159
The men on the top row is Robert Sursey lives

968
00:49:11.159 --> 00:49:12.920
in Tulsa

969
00:49:13.400 --> 00:49:15.639
Wayne lad better who's dead and gone Susan

970
00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:17.880
greaves who's dead and gone he

971
00:49:18.840 --> 00:49:21.239
He drank too much whiskey and lived similar

972
00:49:21.239 --> 00:49:24.119
And he run in behind an oil truck and that pipe

973
00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:27.000
that sticks out hit him right on the neck

974
00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:30.280
Yeah, zuzu drew. He's a local boy dutch case

975
00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:32.599
who's still alive

976
00:49:32.679 --> 00:49:34.973
He lives up here two blocks from here corner

977
00:49:34.973 --> 00:49:37.266
fair is dead and gone. Monroe brightman was a

978
00:49:37.266 --> 00:49:39.559
half back. He's dead and gone

979
00:49:41.320 --> 00:49:44.840
Marsha Foley's still here and author author Foley's

980
00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:52.440
dead and gone died in 35 skeets

981
00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:53.800
tooth shows

982
00:49:53.800 --> 00:49:56.760
No ski. That's skeet shows tooth show coming

983
00:49:56.760 --> 00:49:59.719
later. That's a tooth show and

984
00:50:01.880 --> 00:50:03.880
Bud Burriss who was a

985
00:50:05.239 --> 00:50:08.119
Pilot over in Japan was shot down and killed

986
00:50:08.679 --> 00:50:11.239
And Harry Hansen or coached in starting on this

987
00:50:11.239 --> 00:50:13.800
end as Henry Gall he was a him

988
00:50:14.599 --> 00:50:16.599
Lived in the bottom down here

989
00:50:16.599 --> 00:50:19.480
Then pete ranzen was a hen and Lee Truce

990
00:50:19.480 --> 00:50:22.360
mccorms was willie mccorms brother

991
00:50:23.320 --> 00:50:26.159
Uh, and then Tootsie Toot pipkins who is a

992
00:50:26.159 --> 00:50:29.000
guard. He's dead and gone. Yep

993
00:50:29.639 --> 00:50:31.639
Jeff pile

994
00:50:31.800 --> 00:50:34.599
He's Elizabeth Kalser. He's sinner and Pat

995
00:50:34.599 --> 00:50:37.400
o'reilly's a guard. He's dead and gone

996
00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:39.880
And that light shined on that. I Wilson who was

997
00:50:39.880 --> 00:50:41.719
a tackle

998
00:50:42.360 --> 00:50:45.500
He's dead and gone Bill Welch lives in South Carolina

999
00:50:45.500 --> 00:50:47.500
and Levi hopkins

1000
00:50:47.820 --> 00:50:49.900
Died here in the last two years now

1001
00:50:50.460 --> 00:50:53.340
And Ernie day. He's going to be living with school

1002
00:50:56.059 --> 00:50:58.579
On the end there he was a sinner ernie lived in

1003
00:50:58.579 --> 00:51:01.099
Risco, you know for years and years

1004
00:51:02.699 --> 00:51:05.340
And then the mascot in front is fred russian

1005
00:51:06.460 --> 00:51:08.539
Who's also dead gone. He uh

1006
00:51:09.739 --> 00:51:15.079
He was Judge Russians Grandson

1007
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:17.079
Judge russ is an old timer here

1008
00:51:18.119 --> 00:51:21.480
That's the 2016 and I think the good part about that

1009
00:51:22.119 --> 00:51:24.519
Is we didn't lose didn't lose the game

1010
00:51:25.960 --> 00:51:28.679
But sticker over here tied us and that's when

1011
00:51:28.679 --> 00:51:31.400
Roberts played at sticker. He was center

1012
00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:34.360
He made all American center for tulane went to tulane

1013
00:51:35.159 --> 00:51:37.266
And we went over sticker with this team here

1014
00:51:37.266 --> 00:51:39.373
could have beat sticker 34 and nothing any day

1015
00:51:39.373 --> 00:51:41.480
in the week

1016
00:51:41.480 --> 00:51:44.073
But that day there was 5 000 people there at

1017
00:51:44.073 --> 00:51:46.666
sticker and it was a good game and a big

1018
00:51:46.666 --> 00:51:49.260
official from Mctulsa

1019
00:51:49.480 --> 00:51:50.880
Or I think there's somewhere it's come and

1020
00:51:50.880 --> 00:51:52.280
worked the game for us

1021
00:51:53.079 --> 00:51:55.159
owens obowens or something like that

1022
00:51:56.760 --> 00:51:58.199
They tied us

1023
00:51:58.199 --> 00:52:00.199
Nothing to nothing over there. The only

1024
00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:05.079
uh game that we tied and are lost all that year and

1025
00:52:06.679 --> 00:52:09.079
The good part about this team is

1026
00:52:09.079 --> 00:52:11.559
Is we had we had two actually had two team

1027
00:52:11.559 --> 00:52:14.039
first and second team out of this bunch. They

1028
00:52:14.039 --> 00:52:16.519
played all the time

1029
00:52:17.239 --> 00:52:18.760
We played Chicago. We played Haskell got mixed

1030
00:52:18.760 --> 00:52:20.280
up on our

1031
00:52:20.920 --> 00:52:23.130
On our schedule or something. We played haskell

1032
00:52:23.130 --> 00:52:25.340
on Thursday afternoon

1033
00:52:26.440 --> 00:52:29.239
And and we used the first team to beat haskell

1034
00:52:29.800 --> 00:52:31.586
And coach said well said we won't need much of

1035
00:52:31.586 --> 00:52:33.373
the first team against Chicago because they

1036
00:52:33.373 --> 00:52:35.159
don't have anything

1037
00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:37.400
And I was to pick Millard up. She's going to

1038
00:52:37.400 --> 00:52:39.639
over you and I picked her up at noon

1039
00:52:40.519 --> 00:52:42.280
In mccallister and then coming on up the game.

1040
00:52:42.280 --> 00:52:44.039
What's the game?

1041
00:52:44.599 --> 00:52:47.159
And I got up there and and the Chicago that

1042
00:52:47.159 --> 00:52:49.719
damn we uh, Gris Simpson

1043
00:52:50.360 --> 00:52:53.079
Who was uh here? I just made a touchdown

1044
00:52:56.920 --> 00:52:59.880
We six we six points ahead of more work to have

1045
00:52:59.880 --> 00:53:01.719
So the coach got one of the boys. I I wish I'd

1046
00:53:01.719 --> 00:53:03.559
known who it was, but I can't figure out who it

1047
00:53:03.559 --> 00:53:05.400
had been

1048
00:53:06.519 --> 00:53:08.093
He took his suit off of him put the suit on me

1049
00:53:08.093 --> 00:53:11.239
and I played the rest of the game. We beat him 26

1050
00:53:13.079 --> 00:53:15.739
One on Thursday afternoon one on Friday afternoon

1051
00:53:16.360 --> 00:53:18.730
And Chicago don't like to hear that story. I

1052
00:53:18.730 --> 00:53:21.099
know Jay Spex or Jay Blackburn

1053
00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:24.599
We're good friends with jay

1054
00:53:24.599 --> 00:53:26.599
No, we they didn't like it at all. But that

1055
00:53:26.599 --> 00:53:28.599
that I think was the best one of the best

1056
00:53:28.599 --> 00:53:30.599
all-around team

1057
00:53:30.679 --> 00:53:32.599
Then on top of that

1058
00:53:32.599 --> 00:53:35.559
Uh, I have write-ups where in the phoenix where

1059
00:53:35.559 --> 00:53:38.519
we we offered to play anybody any place

1060
00:53:39.239 --> 00:53:41.239
free of charge or donate to

1061
00:53:43.079 --> 00:53:45.400
Receipts to charity anything they want to go

1062
00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:47.719
any place at any time night or day

1063
00:53:48.199 --> 00:53:50.599
Of course most of them in the afternoon Friday afternoon

1064
00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:54.519
We couldn't get a bid. We tried to get Oklahoma

1065
00:53:54.519 --> 00:53:56.599
city team to come over and play us

1066
00:53:56.679 --> 00:53:58.280
We tried to get toss a central high to come

1067
00:53:58.280 --> 00:53:59.880
play us

1068
00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:03.039
And and then even even we even we went down and

1069
00:54:03.039 --> 00:54:05.480
and talked to sticker

1070
00:54:06.519 --> 00:54:09.199
Called sticker on the phone our superintendent

1071
00:54:09.199 --> 00:54:11.880
did and said well, would you would you be?

1072
00:54:12.920 --> 00:54:14.920
Willing to play us another game

1073
00:54:15.239 --> 00:54:16.719
And they wouldn't play us. They said no,

1074
00:54:16.719 --> 00:54:18.199
they're satisfied with the tie

1075
00:54:19.639 --> 00:54:21.320
so we got uh

1076
00:54:21.320 --> 00:54:23.320
Delaware not Delaware, but uh

1077
00:54:26.519 --> 00:54:28.519
It wasn't Delaware it was uh

1078
00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:31.320
Up in that neck of the wood who in the world

1079
00:54:31.320 --> 00:54:32.519
was it?

1080
00:54:35.400 --> 00:54:37.199
And I never will forget they come down had new

1081
00:54:37.199 --> 00:54:39.000
suits on

1082
00:54:40.119 --> 00:54:42.920
It wasn't it wasn't Delaware. It was uh

1083
00:54:43.960 --> 00:54:47.000
Dewey or some some of those teams up north of toss

1084
00:54:47.000 --> 00:54:49.719
Uh, it hadn't hadn't lost a game all season and

1085
00:54:49.719 --> 00:54:52.440
they beat team in Oklahoma City or something

1086
00:54:53.159 --> 00:54:55.373
And they come down here and we beat them 58 to

1087
00:54:55.373 --> 00:54:57.586
nothing and you know, it's what I think what

1088
00:54:57.586 --> 00:54:59.800
helped the team

1089
00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:03.400
Beat them so much. No, wait, I'm all wrong on that

1090
00:55:04.840 --> 00:55:06.840
I'm all wrong on that

1091
00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:09.559
We we played salisaw

1092
00:55:10.119 --> 00:55:12.119
at salisaw

1093
00:55:12.119 --> 00:55:14.493
And that's where it was. We tried to get a game

1094
00:55:14.493 --> 00:55:16.866
every play couldn't finally salisaw. They'd

1095
00:55:16.866 --> 00:55:19.239
beat arkansas and they won the championship here

1096
00:55:20.039 --> 00:55:23.719
and we went to salisaw played them to salisaw and

1097
00:55:24.440 --> 00:55:26.159
And they they sent when when they come out on

1098
00:55:26.159 --> 00:55:27.880
the field

1099
00:55:28.679 --> 00:55:30.840
They had a little bitty boys. I mean

1100
00:55:31.719 --> 00:55:33.639
Look like great school boys us and boy, we

1101
00:55:33.639 --> 00:55:35.559
looked at him. We said Lord Goodness

1102
00:55:35.559 --> 00:55:38.093
Our second team can beat them and the next

1103
00:55:38.093 --> 00:55:40.626
thing, you know, just before the kickoff here

1104
00:55:40.626 --> 00:55:43.159
come a punch out with new suits on

1105
00:55:43.719 --> 00:55:45.719
And look like a old

1106
00:55:46.199 --> 00:55:48.199
Ogle in Chicago was coaching

1107
00:55:49.639 --> 00:55:53.880
I mean, they they look like college boys junior. Yeah

1108
00:55:54.440 --> 00:55:57.199
And and I mean they come out there and run down

1109
00:55:57.199 --> 00:55:59.960
that field and and guys Harry come over to us

1110
00:55:59.960 --> 00:56:01.480
I coached it and says boys. We've got a ball

1111
00:56:01.480 --> 00:56:03.000
game today

1112
00:56:03.000 --> 00:56:05.000
We beat them 58 and nothing

1113
00:56:05.880 --> 00:56:07.880
and and and the trouble is

1114
00:56:08.679 --> 00:56:11.159
After the third quarter, he jerked the first

1115
00:56:11.159 --> 00:56:13.639
team out and put in the second team

1116
00:56:14.280 --> 00:56:17.250
The second team because skeet show was a

1117
00:56:17.250 --> 00:56:20.219
freshman that year and he made three touchdowns

1118
00:56:20.840 --> 00:56:22.706
After he got in there and that's the second

1119
00:56:22.706 --> 00:56:24.573
team playing in the second and that was salisaw

1120
00:56:24.573 --> 00:56:26.440
in the second half

1121
00:56:26.440 --> 00:56:29.719
In the last quarter because he pulled us out in

1122
00:56:29.719 --> 00:56:33.000
the third quarter. We sit along the bench

1123
00:56:33.559 --> 00:56:35.679
But that that's the 26th team and the trouble

1124
00:56:35.679 --> 00:56:37.800
is there

1125
00:56:39.239 --> 00:56:41.159
As you the boys sitting behind well some of

1126
00:56:41.159 --> 00:56:43.079
them started but

1127
00:56:43.800 --> 00:56:45.480
Half of those boys there would fill in any

1128
00:56:45.480 --> 00:56:47.159
position there

1129
00:56:48.039 --> 00:56:50.039
And and and you wouldn't miss the other boy a

1130
00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:52.039
whole lot you miss him some

1131
00:56:52.039 --> 00:56:54.226
But uh, the replacements what what won that and

1132
00:56:54.226 --> 00:56:56.413
that that's the whole squad you see there.

1133
00:56:56.413 --> 00:56:58.599
That's the only boys we had

1134
00:56:59.159 --> 00:57:01.159
That's the crop

1135
00:57:01.400 --> 00:57:04.039
And I know we wanted so bad to play

1136
00:57:04.840 --> 00:57:06.733
Played Tulsa Tulsa had a good team that year

1137
00:57:06.733 --> 00:57:08.626
and I think no water somewhere. No water had a

1138
00:57:08.626 --> 00:57:10.519
good team

1139
00:57:12.440 --> 00:57:14.920
There wasn't place just total of 20 there. Yeah

1140
00:57:14.920 --> 00:57:17.400
21 including the mascot. Yeah

1141
00:57:17.400 --> 00:57:19.533
Yeah, 21 including the mascot. Yeah, and this

1142
00:57:19.533 --> 00:57:23.800
boy on the end Robert Sursee. He lives in Tulsa now

1143
00:57:26.199 --> 00:57:28.480
But that I think that was the best all-around

1144
00:57:28.480 --> 00:57:30.760
team and on top of that author

1145
00:57:31.480 --> 00:57:34.480
Uh, he had one of his finest years he's ever

1146
00:57:34.480 --> 00:57:37.480
had he uh 25 and 26

1147
00:57:38.199 --> 00:57:40.840
author could punt a ball 80 yards in the air

1148
00:57:40.840 --> 00:57:43.133
Oh, hey y'all. Well, you remember the old

1149
00:57:43.133 --> 00:57:45.426
ballpark in Muskogee. Yeah, we played them up

1150
00:57:45.426 --> 00:57:47.719
there in 47

1151
00:57:48.440 --> 00:57:50.840
In in 24, I think they beat us

1152
00:57:51.719 --> 00:57:55.400
No in 20. Yeah 24. They beat us 47-6, I think

1153
00:57:56.119 --> 00:57:58.679
And I he punted the ball from his own

1154
00:57:59.619 --> 00:58:01.786
25 or 30 yard line clear over the fence and

1155
00:58:01.786 --> 00:58:03.953
over the box cars that parked along the south

1156
00:58:03.953 --> 00:58:06.119
end of that thing

1157
00:58:06.119 --> 00:58:08.400
And and then when we played at Roswell, I I saw

1158
00:58:08.400 --> 00:58:10.679
him punt

1159
00:58:11.480 --> 00:58:13.480
punt he punted twice

1160
00:58:14.280 --> 00:58:15.769
And we were playing the Mexico will and we knew

1161
00:58:15.769 --> 00:58:17.260
the Mexico university

1162
00:58:17.960 --> 00:58:20.880
And he was standing on his goal line. He punted

1163
00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:23.800
the ball and punted out on the three yard line

1164
00:58:24.920 --> 00:58:26.849
They called us back and penalized us five yards

1165
00:58:26.849 --> 00:58:28.780
for being offside

1166
00:58:28.780 --> 00:58:31.019
He went back back of his goal line and punted

1167
00:58:31.019 --> 00:58:35.500
the second time and punted out on the five yard line

1168
00:58:37.099 --> 00:58:39.099
And that's counting the roll and everything

1169
00:58:39.579 --> 00:58:43.019
And and the third time they come penalized again

1170
00:58:43.579 --> 00:58:45.699
And and they blocked the next one. He fell on

1171
00:58:45.699 --> 00:58:47.820
the ball for safety and they beat a student up

1172
00:58:49.019 --> 00:58:53.079
That was 19 29

1173
00:58:53.079 --> 00:58:56.719
So so after after high school you and he both

1174
00:58:56.719 --> 00:59:00.360
went on yeah, we went to after

1175
00:59:01.000 --> 00:59:03.480
After that, well in 20 in 26

1176
00:59:04.119 --> 00:59:06.619
See author had another year. He played 27

1177
00:59:07.480 --> 00:59:10.360
And they went down to pine Bluff and paid paid

1178
00:59:10.360 --> 00:59:13.239
by Buff down there and Pine Bluff beat them

1179
00:59:14.039 --> 00:59:17.480
Uh 36 or 37 to nothing down there

1180
00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:19.746
And and he they didn't have a good year in 27.

1181
00:59:19.746 --> 00:59:22.013
They won some and they lost more than they

1182
00:59:22.013 --> 00:59:25.960
should have but

1183
00:59:25.960 --> 00:59:28.840
In 28 see author had was sick. He's

1184
00:59:29.400 --> 00:59:31.320
He had Tb

1185
00:59:31.320 --> 00:59:34.519
and so in 28 why

1186
00:59:34.519 --> 00:59:36.386
My dad and I and author all the way down to

1187
00:59:36.386 --> 00:59:38.253
taro, Texas to see about that military school

1188
00:59:38.253 --> 00:59:40.119
and couldn't

1189
00:59:40.920 --> 00:59:42.280
We didn't like that

1190
00:59:42.280 --> 00:59:44.333
So we come back and and went over to claremont.

1191
00:59:44.333 --> 00:59:46.386
I went to claremont and thought maybe go over

1192
00:59:46.386 --> 00:59:48.440
there, but the climate's same

1193
00:59:50.119 --> 00:59:53.159
Uh Leo and Ralph both went to New Mexico

1194
00:59:53.159 --> 00:59:56.199
military about in 19 and 13 14 and 15

1195
00:59:56.920 --> 00:59:59.000
So they said won't you go to Roswell high

1196
00:59:59.000 --> 01:00:01.079
climate in this which was which we did

1197
01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:04.320
In 28 I got married. I'll get that later though

1198
01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:06.599
in 28. We

1199
01:00:07.159 --> 01:00:08.679
We went out to Roswell. I went out there with

1200
01:00:08.679 --> 01:00:10.199
him with a school

1201
01:00:10.199 --> 01:00:15.079
And he he uh, he got he got better all the time

1202
01:00:15.559 --> 01:00:17.133
But the coach I told the coach about him and he

1203
01:00:17.133 --> 01:00:20.280
wouldn't play with just a half of games in the first

1204
01:00:20.840 --> 01:00:22.599
Two or three games. He'd only play a half of

1205
01:00:22.599 --> 01:00:24.360
the game and then take him out

1206
01:00:24.840 --> 01:00:27.293
But out there he he'd he'd punt the ball 65 and

1207
01:00:27.293 --> 01:00:29.746
70 yards just regular wasn't nothing unusual

1208
01:00:29.746 --> 01:00:32.199
for him to punt

1209
01:00:32.760 --> 01:00:34.440
That far of course and the ball went as high as

1210
01:00:34.440 --> 01:00:36.119
it did far

1211
01:00:36.119 --> 01:00:38.599
Because uh our ends this bill wells and Peter

1212
01:00:38.599 --> 01:00:41.079
Mason here

1213
01:00:41.639 --> 01:00:43.400
In 26 would be there waiting for the man to

1214
01:00:43.400 --> 01:00:45.159
catch the ball

1215
01:00:46.039 --> 01:00:47.400
In Muskogee, he even gets Muskogee up there and

1216
01:00:47.400 --> 01:00:48.760
they did that

1217
01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:53.000
Uh, I know I know

1218
01:00:53.079 --> 01:00:55.239
Muskogee phoenix had they'd never seen

1219
01:00:56.119 --> 01:00:58.360
A punter who's punted the ball as high and far

1220
01:00:58.360 --> 01:01:00.599
as author Foley

1221
01:01:01.480 --> 01:01:03.800
And he could do the same thing with passing

1222
01:01:03.800 --> 01:01:06.159
And look at the game face. This one has who's

1223
01:01:06.159 --> 01:01:08.519
he now? That's that's Si Wilson

1224
01:01:09.800 --> 01:01:12.679
Where is author authors up in the corner up there?

1225
01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:17.320
Right, I didn't know that's me there right

1226
01:01:17.320 --> 01:01:19.639
there's author I'm next to him there

1227
01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:22.760
And in the corners author

1228
01:01:23.079 --> 01:01:25.360
He's about six almost six two and weigh there.

1229
01:01:25.360 --> 01:01:27.639
He'd weigh a hundred and

1230
01:01:28.579 --> 01:01:30.579
65 or 70 pounds

1231
01:01:30.579 --> 01:01:32.940
He doesn't know no, uh, hell yeah. Hell yeah.

1232
01:01:32.940 --> 01:01:35.300
Oh, I'm sorry. Hell yeah down here

1233
01:01:36.260 --> 01:01:38.699
Right there. That's author and I'm the next one.

1234
01:01:38.699 --> 01:01:41.139
One will right one and Kidder fears

1235
01:01:42.739 --> 01:01:45.619
He's right in the center now. Yeah, uh, that's author

1236
01:01:48.739 --> 01:01:50.099
But see there's none of those all those boys

1237
01:01:50.099 --> 01:01:51.460
right there

1238
01:01:52.340 --> 01:01:54.079
author weighed about

1239
01:01:54.079 --> 01:01:57.380
165 70 I weighed about 155 60

1240
01:01:57.380 --> 01:01:59.829
And and there wasn't a 200 pounds pat o'reilly there.

1241
01:01:59.829 --> 01:02:02.280
I weigh about 180

1242
01:02:03.460 --> 01:02:05.139
And that and that's the biggest boy except to

1243
01:02:05.139 --> 01:02:06.820
get on the other end

1244
01:02:07.539 --> 01:02:09.309
The Mcconnell boy Lee Cruz Mcconnell. He

1245
01:02:09.309 --> 01:02:11.079
weighed right at 200

1246
01:02:11.860 --> 01:02:14.099
That's him right there on the second then and

1247
01:02:14.099 --> 01:02:16.340
pete weighed 185. So

1248
01:02:17.380 --> 01:02:19.380
the one with glasses

1249
01:02:21.059 --> 01:02:23.726
No, they don't have oh, that's zuzu. That's top

1250
01:02:23.726 --> 01:02:26.393
row right straight in front of him. There's Lee

1251
01:02:26.393 --> 01:02:29.059
cruz mcconnell. He weighed about 195 and

1252
01:02:29.860 --> 01:02:31.860
Around 200 all the time

1253
01:02:32.099 --> 01:02:34.099
And pete ran some 185

1254
01:02:34.900 --> 01:02:37.219
And see that's that's and 2 pipkins there

1255
01:02:37.219 --> 01:02:39.539
weighed 150 pounds a guard

1256
01:02:40.260 --> 01:02:42.260
But he could he could take an end out

1257
01:02:42.659 --> 01:02:44.980
I know see we put two men on the end the end

1258
01:02:44.980 --> 01:02:47.300
the end if the end didn't get

1259
01:02:47.780 --> 01:02:50.420
Get the tackle and he'd help block the end

1260
01:02:52.019 --> 01:02:54.099
Two pipkins always turns say well, I can take

1261
01:02:54.099 --> 01:02:56.179
him by myself, you know

1262
01:02:56.900 --> 01:03:00.739
You wait 200 pounds. He takes 150 pounds man. Take him out

1263
01:03:01.619 --> 01:03:03.593
And that that's kind of the ball team we had we

1264
01:03:03.593 --> 01:03:05.566
double blocked on everybody. Yeah on the on the

1265
01:03:05.566 --> 01:03:07.539
Warner system

1266
01:03:08.019 --> 01:03:10.619
He double blocked on everybody and two people

1267
01:03:10.619 --> 01:03:13.219
can't take out one. You've got a poor ball club

1268
01:03:13.940 --> 01:03:15.940
That is back in those days now

1269
01:03:16.659 --> 01:03:19.860
Four men can't take out one now Uh-huh

1270
01:03:19.860 --> 01:03:22.820
Because they push hold they don't hit

1271
01:03:23.699 --> 01:03:26.539
Well, I'll take it back these professionals

1272
01:03:26.539 --> 01:03:29.380
ballplayers hit when a man's in the air

1273
01:03:29.460 --> 01:03:32.019
They'll knock the daylight out and I think it I

1274
01:03:32.019 --> 01:03:34.579
think there ought to be a rule against himself

1275
01:03:35.300 --> 01:03:37.139
Because he don't have a chance when he's up

1276
01:03:37.139 --> 01:03:38.980
catching the ball. He's helpless

1277
01:03:39.940 --> 01:03:41.739
And he don't have a chance but but these boys

1278
01:03:41.739 --> 01:03:43.539
right here

1279
01:03:44.340 --> 01:03:45.780
They enjoyed knocking the hell out of it and

1280
01:03:45.780 --> 01:03:47.219
they would

1281
01:03:47.219 --> 01:03:49.860
And we'd do it in Scrimmage see in scrimmage.

1282
01:03:49.860 --> 01:03:52.500
We'd put our a right side

1283
01:03:53.219 --> 01:03:55.420
Them like a tackle guards and center on the

1284
01:03:55.420 --> 01:03:57.619
other side we'd run plays

1285
01:03:58.579 --> 01:04:00.420
To open up through them

1286
01:04:00.420 --> 01:04:01.699
our own men

1287
01:04:01.699 --> 01:04:04.420
And and I know I I dreaded I dreaded running

1288
01:04:04.420 --> 01:04:07.139
against Si Wilson worse than I did

1289
01:04:07.699 --> 01:04:09.780
Three four bars we played against because I

1290
01:04:09.780 --> 01:04:11.860
knew when I get hit I was gonna get hit

1291
01:04:11.860 --> 01:04:16.059
And Si Wilson hit you and just laugh about it.

1292
01:04:16.059 --> 01:04:20.260
But it it's that the secret of that team there

1293
01:04:22.340 --> 01:04:24.340
No, there wasn't this

1294
01:04:28.099 --> 01:04:29.993
No, I won't say that because they get pretty

1295
01:04:29.993 --> 01:04:31.886
rough sometimes but they let them get hold with

1296
01:04:31.886 --> 01:04:33.780
their hands that

1297
01:04:34.179 --> 01:04:36.139
That that hurt football more than in my opinion

1298
01:04:36.139 --> 01:04:38.099
than anything going is

1299
01:04:38.099 --> 01:04:40.230
An offensive man can hold a man. Yeah, and

1300
01:04:40.230 --> 01:04:42.360
there's no

1301
01:04:43.159 --> 01:04:45.159
there's nothing to it because

1302
01:04:45.639 --> 01:04:47.679
They'll put two men on the tackle and take him

1303
01:04:47.679 --> 01:04:49.719
out. Yeah, and then you got a hole

1304
01:04:50.280 --> 01:04:52.093
And it's up that linebacker to get him. But if

1305
01:04:52.093 --> 01:04:53.906
that center when he passed that ball can't go

1306
01:04:53.906 --> 01:04:55.719
get that linebacker

1307
01:04:55.719 --> 01:04:57.559
He's not a good center

1308
01:04:57.559 --> 01:04:59.320
In my opinion now, of course my opinion don't

1309
01:04:59.320 --> 01:05:01.079
mean nothing now

1310
01:05:02.199 --> 01:05:03.719
I think we better get a picture of him with his

1311
01:05:03.719 --> 01:05:08.519
iron head Well

1312
01:05:08.519 --> 01:05:10.719
Author was a hard-hitter and I enjoyed knocking

1313
01:05:10.719 --> 01:05:12.920
the devil out of people

1314
01:05:13.559 --> 01:05:17.480
And of course, I learned this a long way in the early

1315
01:05:18.039 --> 01:05:20.320
That when someone knocks the devil out of me

1316
01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:22.599
help pick him up and just thank him for it

1317
01:05:22.679 --> 01:05:24.866
Say you hit harder next time and now I said

1318
01:05:24.866 --> 01:05:27.053
that'll hurt him worse than anything else when

1319
01:05:27.053 --> 01:05:29.239
when you ache in your bones

1320
01:05:29.320 --> 01:05:32.440
Ache and everything else just tell them and it hurts

1321
01:05:32.440 --> 01:05:34.880
Because you know, he hits you as hard as he

1322
01:05:34.880 --> 01:05:37.320
could and he couldn't hit you any harder

1323
01:05:37.639 --> 01:05:39.400
Then you talk around laugh at him and it that

1324
01:05:39.400 --> 01:05:41.159
hurts the Fella

1325
01:05:43.400 --> 01:05:45.373
That's all really just pride yeah, it sure does

1326
01:05:45.373 --> 01:05:47.346
it knocks him down. Well, we were coached by

1327
01:05:47.346 --> 01:05:49.320
Harry Hansard

1328
01:05:50.599 --> 01:05:52.760
That the first three or four minutes of ball

1329
01:05:52.760 --> 01:05:54.920
game will determine what what you're going to do

1330
01:05:55.639 --> 01:05:58.119
In other words if he's knocking you backwards

1331
01:05:58.119 --> 01:06:00.920
He's going to win if you knock him back and you

1332
01:06:00.920 --> 01:06:03.719
go in and that's that's the system we went on

1333
01:06:04.360 --> 01:06:07.079
Because and we put two men on every man

1334
01:06:08.119 --> 01:06:10.039
and and

1335
01:06:10.039 --> 01:06:12.039
Those two boys any two of those boys?

1336
01:06:12.280 --> 01:06:15.280
I know I blocked on a lot of plays and that's

1337
01:06:15.280 --> 01:06:18.280
pete ransom there where the reac is right there

1338
01:06:18.599 --> 01:06:20.599
He's a 180 pounds boy

1339
01:06:20.679 --> 01:06:23.480
And he he'd block he'd block at the end out there

1340
01:06:23.480 --> 01:06:26.840
And and no tackle we're blocking tackle and

1341
01:06:26.840 --> 01:06:30.199
he'd he'd hit the tackle and then

1342
01:06:31.079 --> 01:06:33.239
Hit him high or low and then I'd run over him

1343
01:06:33.239 --> 01:06:35.400
just run over anything I could do

1344
01:06:36.840 --> 01:06:39.320
About after about one or two plays pete just

1345
01:06:40.199 --> 01:06:42.199
Holler back and say I got him

1346
01:06:42.840 --> 01:06:44.333
Just take him with himself, you know, he knew

1347
01:06:44.333 --> 01:06:45.826
he could handle him then I'd go on down and get

1348
01:06:45.826 --> 01:06:47.320
a half back

1349
01:06:47.960 --> 01:06:51.079
So that the secret in football is blocking

1350
01:06:51.079 --> 01:06:53.880
Oh, yeah blocking that's a secret

1351
01:06:56.920 --> 01:06:58.840
This is the

1352
01:06:58.840 --> 01:07:01.960
Jackson Lee School

1353
01:07:01.960 --> 01:07:03.760
Has built it takes care of the seventh grade

1354
01:07:03.760 --> 01:07:05.559
through the 12th grade

1355
01:07:06.760 --> 01:07:08.760
built in early 1900s

1356
01:07:09.079 --> 01:07:12.599
And this is the group with all the students and teachers

1357
01:07:13.400 --> 01:07:15.880
Back and back in those early days

1358
01:07:15.880 --> 01:07:23.400
this school, uh, Well, this this school was the

1359
01:07:24.280 --> 01:07:26.420
First big school built in eufaula that the

1360
01:07:26.420 --> 01:07:28.559
school built before it was an old Dixie school

1361
01:07:28.559 --> 01:07:30.699
was built in 1899

1362
01:07:32.280 --> 01:07:35.280
And I was in the Dixie school going to school

1363
01:07:35.280 --> 01:07:38.280
when this picture was taken and

1364
01:07:39.559 --> 01:07:41.880
One afternoon at about five of us

1365
01:07:45.320 --> 01:07:47.239
Going by them going by the house about a block

1366
01:07:47.239 --> 01:07:49.159
west of this school

1367
01:07:50.599 --> 01:07:53.000
And we picked up rocks and threw at a lady

1368
01:07:53.000 --> 01:07:55.400
sitting in a rocking chair on the porch

1369
01:07:56.199 --> 01:07:57.599
We didn't throw at her. We just thought it was

1370
01:07:57.599 --> 01:07:59.000
a portrait

1371
01:07:59.880 --> 01:08:02.360
To scare or something and the lady was Mr.

1372
01:08:02.360 --> 01:08:04.840
Fonda his mother

1373
01:08:05.960 --> 01:08:09.559
Who was judge o'reilly's? sister

1374
01:08:09.559 --> 01:08:11.960
Who is my cousin?

1375
01:08:13.239 --> 01:08:15.159
There's five of us got in the deal. We just

1376
01:08:15.159 --> 01:08:17.079
going by like kids, you know, we just threw

1377
01:08:17.079 --> 01:08:19.000
rocks and

1378
01:08:21.159 --> 01:08:23.840
And that's why those three windows up there in

1379
01:08:23.840 --> 01:08:26.520
the front come in handy or good memory

1380
01:08:29.239 --> 01:08:31.239
Super news elsie

1381
01:08:31.399 --> 01:08:33.399
Called us all up there the next day

1382
01:08:33.399 --> 01:08:35.560
And my dad was sitting in the office and I I

1383
01:08:35.560 --> 01:08:37.720
didn't know why he's there or nothing. We

1384
01:08:37.720 --> 01:08:39.880
didn't think nothing about it

1385
01:08:40.760 --> 01:08:42.446
And he brought us up there and asked us what we

1386
01:08:42.446 --> 01:08:45.819
did that afternoon that morning yesterday afternoon

1387
01:08:46.600 --> 01:08:48.600
We didn't we said we didn't do nothing

1388
01:08:49.319 --> 01:08:51.960
He said yeah, you threw rocks at his father

1389
01:08:53.399 --> 01:08:55.039
Well, of course we had to own up to it. There's

1390
01:08:55.039 --> 01:08:56.680
five of us

1391
01:08:57.319 --> 01:08:59.720
And the way they whipped you in those days is

1392
01:08:59.720 --> 01:09:03.640
Is you grab you reach over and grab your ankles?

1393
01:09:04.439 --> 01:09:06.880
And and he took one at a time in there and my

1394
01:09:06.880 --> 01:09:09.319
dad sat there and watched it

1395
01:09:09.960 --> 01:09:12.520
And he took that strap razor strap. It wasn't

1396
01:09:12.520 --> 01:09:15.079
didn't use a razor strap used for whipping

1397
01:09:15.720 --> 01:09:18.119
And he took that thing and blistered us good

1398
01:09:18.760 --> 01:09:20.760
and of course what hurt more is

1399
01:09:21.000 --> 01:09:23.000
My dad sitting there watching

1400
01:09:23.079 --> 01:09:24.399
Because I thought sure I'd get one that got

1401
01:09:24.399 --> 01:09:25.720
home, but it didn't

1402
01:09:26.520 --> 01:09:28.520
I got penalized

1403
01:09:28.520 --> 01:09:30.760
They took my two bits away from me every

1404
01:09:30.760 --> 01:09:33.000
Saturday night to go to the picture show

1405
01:09:33.720 --> 01:09:37.000
peanut popcorn candy

1406
01:09:39.560 --> 01:09:42.439
That's the reason we got the whipping and so

1407
01:09:42.439 --> 01:09:45.319
when I think carter fears and japp pile and

1408
01:09:45.319 --> 01:09:48.199
myself and and

1409
01:09:49.560 --> 01:09:51.479
I believe a lamborg boy was with us one of the

1410
01:09:51.479 --> 01:09:53.399
Lamborg boys the other boy

1411
01:09:53.399 --> 01:09:56.239
I can't can't remember but we got we got our

1412
01:09:56.239 --> 01:09:59.079
weapons. So I remember that quite well, but then

1413
01:09:59.880 --> 01:10:02.859
uh in 1920 1920 and 21

1414
01:10:03.479 --> 01:10:06.039
They used the basement in this building for

1415
01:10:06.680 --> 01:10:08.680
for dress football dressing room

1416
01:10:11.159 --> 01:10:14.600
I remember it quite well because I spent four

1417
01:10:14.600 --> 01:10:15.880
four years

1418
01:10:15.880 --> 01:10:18.920
in and out of that thing dressing and and

1419
01:10:18.920 --> 01:10:21.279
And uh one day in 1923 right on the north side

1420
01:10:21.279 --> 01:10:23.640
of that school

1421
01:10:23.720 --> 01:10:24.920
They had a big

1422
01:10:24.920 --> 01:10:27.319
One of those great big old kegs that hold 35 40

1423
01:10:27.319 --> 01:10:29.720
gallons of water with a spout on it

1424
01:10:30.279 --> 01:10:31.560
and the ice

1425
01:10:31.560 --> 01:10:33.760
Ice plants right down there and they always

1426
01:10:33.760 --> 01:10:35.960
come in and put a hunk of ice in it

1427
01:10:36.520 --> 01:10:39.880
So we come in from practice one afternoon and

1428
01:10:39.880 --> 01:10:43.239
spied some macomb. Mr. Macomb boy

1429
01:10:43.960 --> 01:10:45.560
in 23

1430
01:10:45.560 --> 01:10:47.399
And he laid down and let that cold water run

1431
01:10:47.399 --> 01:10:49.239
down in his mouth

1432
01:10:50.600 --> 01:10:52.600
And he didn't ever get out

1433
01:10:53.159 --> 01:10:55.399
And they got the water just running off this

1434
01:10:55.399 --> 01:10:57.640
way and he just completely passed out

1435
01:10:59.079 --> 01:11:00.920
You know the doctors and thing they got him

1436
01:11:00.920 --> 01:11:02.760
what carried him down the bay in a dressing

1437
01:11:02.760 --> 01:11:04.600
room put him on a cot

1438
01:11:05.159 --> 01:11:07.279
And they worked with him for about an hour to

1439
01:11:07.279 --> 01:11:09.399
bring him to that cold water. He's hot

1440
01:11:09.479 --> 01:11:10.720
You know get that core and just knocked him

1441
01:11:10.720 --> 01:11:11.960
clear out

1442
01:11:13.399 --> 01:11:15.399
So from then on

1443
01:11:15.399 --> 01:11:17.399
There wasn't any more ice put in the water

1444
01:11:19.399 --> 01:11:21.399
Harry the coach see it conceded that so you can

1445
01:11:21.399 --> 01:11:23.399
drink all over where you want, but it's got to

1446
01:11:23.399 --> 01:11:25.399
be it's warm water

1447
01:11:27.000 --> 01:11:28.560
So that's oh he got along all right. Oh, yeah,

1448
01:11:28.560 --> 01:11:30.119
he got along fine

1449
01:11:30.199 --> 01:11:32.119
He was all right that before he left there, but

1450
01:11:32.119 --> 01:11:34.039
they just knocked him out, I guess

1451
01:11:35.640 --> 01:11:37.640
Froze him out, I guess

1452
01:11:38.359 --> 01:11:40.760
This is Marshall Miller Foley

1453
01:11:40.760 --> 01:11:44.859
Uh Miller was born in February 26 1907

1454
01:11:46.199 --> 01:11:48.199
In clare, Oklahoma

1455
01:11:48.840 --> 01:11:51.010
And Marshall Foley was born in eufaula on April

1456
01:11:51.010 --> 01:11:53.180
6 1907

1457
01:11:54.680 --> 01:11:58.600
And uh, she's a old woman and I'm a young man

1458
01:12:00.439 --> 01:12:03.399
She's got me beat 38 days, I think something

1459
01:12:03.399 --> 01:12:06.359
like that and uh, we uh

1460
01:12:06.359 --> 01:12:08.569
Uh, we went together in 19 and started going

1461
01:12:08.569 --> 01:12:10.779
together in 1923

1462
01:12:12.600 --> 01:12:15.819
We had dates and everything 1921 and 22

1463
01:12:17.479 --> 01:12:18.760
And uh

1464
01:12:18.760 --> 01:12:21.260
We then started going together in 23

1465
01:12:22.039 --> 01:12:24.039
And went together from 23

1466
01:12:24.119 --> 01:12:26.119
until we married and uh

1467
01:12:26.279 --> 01:12:28.279
in 1927

1468
01:12:28.600 --> 01:12:30.600
December the 15th

1469
01:12:30.600 --> 01:12:32.600
but uh

1470
01:12:32.600 --> 01:12:36.439
when we married we she

1471
01:12:36.439 --> 01:12:38.626
She didn't we didn't have any job. Well, I was

1472
01:12:38.626 --> 01:12:40.813
in school and she was she was going working for

1473
01:12:40.813 --> 01:12:43.000
a daddy working at the

1474
01:12:43.539 --> 01:12:45.229
Assessor's office. She worked for K. Davis at

1475
01:12:45.229 --> 01:12:46.920
the assessor's office

1476
01:12:49.720 --> 01:12:53.880
So we we planned on going to prior to getting married

1477
01:12:55.159 --> 01:12:57.319
And we had a errand to do in Muskogee for her

1478
01:12:57.319 --> 01:12:59.479
mother to go by pick up certain dresses and

1479
01:12:59.479 --> 01:13:01.640
this and that

1480
01:13:03.399 --> 01:13:05.159
We're going to go on a certain day and we

1481
01:13:05.159 --> 01:13:06.920
didn't make it on that day because

1482
01:13:07.399 --> 01:13:09.399
Connie wore my overcoat and got drunk and

1483
01:13:09.399 --> 01:13:11.399
bombed it on the night before

1484
01:13:12.119 --> 01:13:13.359
So I had to take it down to the van with the

1485
01:13:13.359 --> 01:13:14.600
cleaner and

1486
01:13:15.239 --> 01:13:16.880
Get him to clean the coat. It was about noon

1487
01:13:16.880 --> 01:13:18.520
before I got my coat

1488
01:13:19.720 --> 01:13:21.720
so we went in a

1489
01:13:22.439 --> 01:13:24.359
Crosser cube with a jump seat in the back, you

1490
01:13:24.359 --> 01:13:26.279
know where you turn them up and down

1491
01:13:26.279 --> 01:13:29.920
And we went to Muskogee and run all the errands

1492
01:13:29.920 --> 01:13:33.560
in Muskogee and then we took out for prior and

1493
01:13:34.840 --> 01:13:37.920
Got there a little right right at five a little

1494
01:13:37.920 --> 01:13:41.000
after five and the justice of peace

1495
01:13:42.439 --> 01:13:44.760
Of course, I mean the court clerk was gone so I

1496
01:13:44.760 --> 01:13:47.079
had to go down to the

1497
01:13:48.199 --> 01:13:50.279
Pool hall and get him out of pool hall to come

1498
01:13:50.279 --> 01:13:52.359
back and and get our license

1499
01:13:53.319 --> 01:13:55.319
and we finally got him and then

1500
01:13:55.319 --> 01:13:56.866
Uh military says he didn't want to be married

1501
01:13:56.866 --> 01:13:59.960
with justice speech. He'll be married with preacher

1502
01:14:02.359 --> 01:14:04.159
The fool around there and finally the methods

1503
01:14:04.159 --> 01:14:05.960
preacher there

1504
01:14:07.479 --> 01:14:09.479
And just lifted the quarantine

1505
01:14:10.760 --> 01:14:13.039
And so this little come on down there and said

1506
01:14:13.039 --> 01:14:15.319
his wife's there and she'd be a witness

1507
01:14:15.800 --> 01:14:17.853
Another lady there and she could be a witness.

1508
01:14:17.853 --> 01:14:19.906
So we went down to this preacher's house.

1509
01:14:19.906 --> 01:14:21.960
That's the preacher's house to get married

1510
01:14:23.560 --> 01:14:26.239
He's a had a patch over one eye. I don't know

1511
01:14:26.239 --> 01:14:28.920
why he's blind or what man a patch over one eye

1512
01:14:31.000 --> 01:14:33.119
And he said well, has he married? We got to

1513
01:14:33.119 --> 01:14:35.239
talking to him. Mildred. Mildred's scared

1514
01:14:35.319 --> 01:14:36.960
She said she wouldn't even take her coat off.

1515
01:14:36.960 --> 01:14:38.600
She's got married in her coat

1516
01:14:41.319 --> 01:14:43.119
So we flew around then and got married and got

1517
01:14:43.119 --> 01:14:44.920
to talking to the preacher and

1518
01:14:46.680 --> 01:14:49.640
Fred bolan who run the oil mill down here

1519
01:14:49.640 --> 01:14:52.119
It was his first cousin and so we had to do a

1520
01:14:52.119 --> 01:14:57.079
lot of talking because we didn't want Fred to know

1521
01:14:57.720 --> 01:14:59.720
That we're getting married because Miller

1522
01:15:00.039 --> 01:15:01.720
worked part-time up there for fred at the oil

1523
01:15:01.720 --> 01:15:03.399
mill and

1524
01:15:04.279 --> 01:15:06.119
So we we got that all straightened out and we

1525
01:15:06.119 --> 01:15:07.960
got home. I don't know. It was late that night

1526
01:15:07.960 --> 01:15:09.800
when we got home

1527
01:15:11.880 --> 01:15:15.560
But from that time on Miller

1528
01:15:15.560 --> 01:15:18.359
And well, we didn't tell anybody she didn't

1529
01:15:18.359 --> 01:15:21.159
tell anybody and and said well

1530
01:15:21.239 --> 01:15:23.520
We have to wait to get get some money to get

1531
01:15:23.520 --> 01:15:25.800
something to do with or get a job doing something

1532
01:15:26.279 --> 01:15:28.279
But I was still going to school

1533
01:15:28.520 --> 01:15:30.520
I'd been going over

1534
01:15:30.520 --> 01:15:32.306
Clarkson went over there the first semester and

1535
01:15:32.306 --> 01:15:34.093
played football and we won one game over there

1536
01:15:34.093 --> 01:15:35.880
and lost

1537
01:15:36.600 --> 01:15:38.159
Mississippi state beat us 58 to nothing first

1538
01:15:38.159 --> 01:15:39.720
game we played

1539
01:15:39.720 --> 01:15:42.279
And we won one game over there for ozarks her

1540
01:15:42.279 --> 01:15:44.840
Harry went over there and five Us boys went

1541
01:15:44.840 --> 01:15:47.399
over there with him from here

1542
01:15:48.119 --> 01:15:50.199
but we kept it a secret and

1543
01:15:51.960 --> 01:15:54.760
She and she didn't tell anybody and she put my

1544
01:15:55.399 --> 01:15:58.039
I got my license stuff and she put the license

1545
01:15:58.039 --> 01:16:00.680
in the back of my picture in her room

1546
01:16:01.319 --> 01:16:03.319
kept it there and

1547
01:16:04.760 --> 01:16:06.760
Then her sister Stavella

1548
01:16:08.840 --> 01:16:10.279
Got married

1549
01:16:11.159 --> 01:16:13.199
And didn't tell anybody just got married and

1550
01:16:13.199 --> 01:16:15.239
come over and told the family about it

1551
01:16:15.800 --> 01:16:18.239
And Miller was sitting there in the front room

1552
01:16:18.239 --> 01:16:20.680
talking and Mrs. Yarbrough says her sister

1553
01:16:20.760 --> 01:16:22.439
You wouldn't know you won't do me that way.

1554
01:16:22.439 --> 01:16:24.119
Well, then of course she's already married

1555
01:16:26.199 --> 01:16:28.399
Said said no, I wouldn't do you that way. Well,

1556
01:16:28.399 --> 01:16:30.600
of course it ended up that

1557
01:16:31.239 --> 01:16:33.239
Nadine finally got married at home

1558
01:16:33.239 --> 01:16:35.880
She Nadine come to Miller and said she's gonna

1559
01:16:35.880 --> 01:16:38.520
get married and and uh, go

1560
01:16:39.319 --> 01:16:40.733
Didn't want her daddy know it and Miller said

1561
01:16:40.733 --> 01:16:42.146
no you're gonna get married home said all the

1562
01:16:42.146 --> 01:16:43.560
rest of us

1563
01:16:44.199 --> 01:16:45.239
Didn't get married and you're gonna get married

1564
01:16:45.239 --> 01:16:46.279
at home

1565
01:16:47.000 --> 01:16:48.840
So she made Nadine have a wedding in the home.

1566
01:16:48.840 --> 01:16:50.680
So Nadine's the only one that had a wedding in

1567
01:16:50.680 --> 01:16:54.920
the home but

1568
01:16:54.920 --> 01:16:59.159
We kept it a secret till January of 28. That's

1569
01:16:59.159 --> 01:17:03.399
when I went to Rosal to school for

1570
01:17:03.720 --> 01:17:05.640
For one semester

1571
01:17:05.640 --> 01:17:08.039
And to come home at Christmas. I just stayed home

1572
01:17:10.039 --> 01:17:12.066
My my mother told it in the pizzeria. I told my

1573
01:17:12.066 --> 01:17:16.119
dad and mother I had to stay home when I was married

1574
01:17:16.840 --> 01:17:19.880
And she told it at the cell of me at the meeting

1575
01:17:20.439 --> 01:17:22.439
And Ms. Yarbrough was there

1576
01:17:22.439 --> 01:17:25.039
And Ms. Yarbrough come home won't know I asked

1577
01:17:25.039 --> 01:17:27.640
Miller said now what what's going on here?

1578
01:17:27.640 --> 01:17:28.640
I don't know what's going on. Are you married

1579
01:17:28.640 --> 01:17:29.640
or what?

1580
01:17:30.199 --> 01:17:31.960
And she had to go upstairs

1581
01:17:31.960 --> 01:17:33.640
In the picture and get her license and show

1582
01:17:33.640 --> 01:17:36.840
that we got married in

1583
01:17:36.840 --> 01:17:38.840
December the 15th the year before

1584
01:17:41.560 --> 01:17:48.279
So when the news all broke out why We

1585
01:17:48.279 --> 01:17:50.520
Of course, that's all unhappy for a week or two.

1586
01:17:50.520 --> 01:17:52.760
I guess because they didn't didn't think we

1587
01:17:52.760 --> 01:17:55.000
should and I guess we shouldn't

1588
01:17:55.000 --> 01:17:56.279
But we did

1589
01:17:56.279 --> 01:18:00.039
That's the way young people do anyhow but

1590
01:18:00.039 --> 01:18:02.199
that that August for author

1591
01:18:02.760 --> 01:18:04.760
was going back to Rosal and

1592
01:18:05.079 --> 01:18:07.613
They they told author he'd come back and they'd

1593
01:18:07.613 --> 01:18:10.146
pay all his tuitions and and he could work in

1594
01:18:10.146 --> 01:18:12.680
the kitchen for the Gordon room

1595
01:18:13.319 --> 01:18:15.319
So that's what author went back

1596
01:18:15.319 --> 01:18:19.239
In August with the understanding he worked in

1597
01:18:19.239 --> 01:18:23.159
the mess hall and get his tuition free

1598
01:18:23.880 --> 01:18:25.880
And author got out there one week

1599
01:18:26.680 --> 01:18:28.399
And the next week when author got out there, he

1600
01:18:28.399 --> 01:18:30.119
told Colonel Pearson

1601
01:18:30.600 --> 01:18:32.466
I don't know what Marshall was doing and he

1602
01:18:32.466 --> 01:18:34.333
says Marshall's working in the abstract office

1603
01:18:34.333 --> 01:18:36.199
getting 75 a month

1604
01:18:36.920 --> 01:18:38.920
So Colonel Pearson called me up

1605
01:18:39.640 --> 01:18:41.079
that week

1606
01:18:41.079 --> 01:18:43.760
And said well marshal I can give you I can pay

1607
01:18:43.760 --> 01:18:46.439
you that out here and give you a job out here

1608
01:18:47.079 --> 01:18:49.720
So you come on out, so I go out the next week

1609
01:18:50.359 --> 01:18:52.079
to Ronald's right right go to Mccastle catch a

1610
01:18:52.079 --> 01:18:53.800
train go to

1611
01:18:54.420 --> 01:18:56.520
amaryllis and then go south and

1612
01:18:57.880 --> 01:18:59.199
And I got out there and went in and talked

1613
01:18:59.199 --> 01:19:00.520
Colonel Pearson

1614
01:19:01.000 --> 01:19:02.786
He says well, what's your wife doing in there?

1615
01:19:02.786 --> 01:19:04.573
I said she's working the assessor's office

1616
01:19:04.573 --> 01:19:06.359
getting 75 a month

1617
01:19:06.359 --> 01:19:09.039
So I'll pay her $100 here. You you call her up

1618
01:19:09.039 --> 01:19:11.720
and tell her to come on. So the next Sunday

1619
01:19:12.199 --> 01:19:14.520
Million went down. So we all got there

1620
01:19:15.880 --> 01:19:18.520
In three weeks time and of course often I was

1621
01:19:18.520 --> 01:19:21.159
going out football and and my job I was

1622
01:19:21.159 --> 01:19:23.800
assistant coach

1623
01:19:25.000 --> 01:19:26.920
in 29

1624
01:19:26.920 --> 01:19:29.479
And I didn't and when I went out there, he said

1625
01:19:29.479 --> 01:19:32.039
and of course Godfrey was assistant coach

1626
01:19:32.039 --> 01:19:34.760
He was one and they and brown was head coach

1627
01:19:34.760 --> 01:19:37.479
and I had a job assistant coach

1628
01:19:37.720 --> 01:19:39.960
They gave me a job coaching the backfield

1629
01:19:41.159 --> 01:19:43.159
And I was a backfield man

1630
01:19:43.720 --> 01:19:45.439
I didn't I couldn't tell those other author and

1631
01:19:45.439 --> 01:19:47.159
the other two boys

1632
01:19:47.399 --> 01:19:49.000
Any more than what they already knew because I

1633
01:19:49.000 --> 01:19:50.600
didn't know anymore

1634
01:19:51.000 --> 01:19:53.000
So but anyhow, I got on the payroll

1635
01:19:53.479 --> 01:19:56.279
And I played football in 29 and 30

1636
01:19:56.920 --> 01:19:58.600
with the same job as assistant coach, but but

1637
01:19:58.600 --> 01:20:00.279
then when we

1638
01:20:00.279 --> 01:20:02.279
Was going up to uh

1639
01:20:03.079 --> 01:20:05.213
Las cruces, I believe to play football and

1640
01:20:05.213 --> 01:20:07.346
Colonel Pearson called me in the office cap

1641
01:20:07.346 --> 01:20:09.479
brown sitting there

1642
01:20:10.119 --> 01:20:12.119
and cap Brown's

1643
01:20:12.439 --> 01:20:14.279
Colonel Pearson says Marshall says you take

1644
01:20:14.279 --> 01:20:17.960
your suit and uniform with you when you leave tomorrow

1645
01:20:18.840 --> 01:20:20.439
I said, all right, Sir

1646
01:20:20.439 --> 01:20:22.319
And cap brown walking out cap brown cap brown

1647
01:20:22.319 --> 01:20:25.720
what's going on? says

1648
01:20:25.720 --> 01:20:28.359
Oh so-and-so Henry's not doing anything

1649
01:20:28.359 --> 01:20:31.000
quarterback says you're gonna play quarterback now

1650
01:20:34.680 --> 01:20:37.239
So my coaching career didn't last long

1651
01:20:38.359 --> 01:20:40.359
Three weeks, I think

1652
01:20:42.680 --> 01:20:45.039
Well, I came back to ufal after we played there

1653
01:20:45.039 --> 01:20:47.399
in 29 and 30

1654
01:20:48.119 --> 01:20:51.239
And and we we had a pretty good team. We that

1655
01:20:52.359 --> 01:20:54.359
about to run out

1656
01:20:56.439 --> 01:20:58.439
but but uh

1657
01:20:58.439 --> 01:21:00.439
I think Miller and I and author

1658
01:21:01.079 --> 01:21:03.079
enjoyed that new Mexico

1659
01:21:03.640 --> 01:21:06.279
Three years more than any years we've ever had

1660
01:21:06.760 --> 01:21:08.800
Because author felt good in good shape and

1661
01:21:08.800 --> 01:21:10.840
playing wonderful ball

1662
01:21:11.560 --> 01:21:13.960
And every every school in the country wanted him

1663
01:21:14.600 --> 01:21:16.600
the only the only school that

1664
01:21:16.920 --> 01:21:19.399
Didn't want wouldn't take him was Notre Dame

1665
01:21:20.279 --> 01:21:22.600
Because he don't have one year to play

1666
01:21:22.600 --> 01:21:24.840
Up there since he's played three years out

1667
01:21:24.840 --> 01:21:27.079
there. He just had one year a Newt Rockley said

1668
01:21:27.079 --> 01:21:29.319
he said

1669
01:21:30.119 --> 01:21:32.520
He's he's good. I know I've seen him play

1670
01:21:33.159 --> 01:21:35.159
But said he didn't want here. Yeah

1671
01:21:38.359 --> 01:21:39.840
And Godfrey got him to go to Louisiana where

1672
01:21:39.840 --> 01:21:41.319
he'd have

1673
01:21:41.960 --> 01:21:43.399
three years

1674
01:21:43.399 --> 01:21:44.680
down there

1675
01:21:44.680 --> 01:21:46.039
because they

1676
01:21:46.039 --> 01:21:48.039
Different conference, you know

1677
01:21:48.119 --> 01:21:50.119
and so author went to

1678
01:21:50.119 --> 01:21:52.199
To lsu on account of Godfrey got him to go and

1679
01:21:52.199 --> 01:21:54.279
Hughey long

1680
01:21:56.039 --> 01:21:57.239
Called him up

1681
01:21:57.239 --> 01:22:01.000
I guess uh, well, he's here in new fall. I know

1682
01:22:01.720 --> 01:22:03.960
Of five or six times Hughey long called him up.

1683
01:22:03.960 --> 01:22:06.199
Maybe midnight anytime talking to him

1684
01:22:06.760 --> 01:22:08.729
And he and Hughey long sent his athletic

1685
01:22:08.729 --> 01:22:10.699
director of lsu

1686
01:22:11.319 --> 01:22:13.800
Up here and spent a week playing golf with author

1687
01:22:14.359 --> 01:22:16.359
Go to muskogee and play golf

1688
01:22:16.359 --> 01:22:19.039
And then when he left the head coach come up

1689
01:22:19.039 --> 01:22:21.720
here and stayed another week

1690
01:22:22.199 --> 01:22:23.560
Playing with author wanting to go and they'd

1691
01:22:23.560 --> 01:22:24.920
pay him

1692
01:22:25.319 --> 01:22:26.600
I don't know all of a sudden

1693
01:22:26.600 --> 01:22:28.546
He just go in there and Hughey long write him

1694
01:22:28.546 --> 01:22:30.493
out a check said have I paid you today and

1695
01:22:30.493 --> 01:22:32.439
write him out a check

1696
01:22:33.239 --> 01:22:35.520
It was $100. Of course. I had $100 back then a

1697
01:22:35.520 --> 01:22:37.800
lot of money. Yeah, but uh,

1698
01:22:37.800 --> 01:22:42.039
Uh, Hughey long wanted him to come and and when

1699
01:22:42.039 --> 01:22:46.279
I uh,

1700
01:22:47.640 --> 01:22:51.720
But hughey long, uh wanted author to go to

1701
01:22:51.720 --> 01:22:55.800
Louisiana and I have a write-up in a paper from

1702
01:22:58.039 --> 01:23:00.399
You somebody wrote in Louisiana and sent it to

1703
01:23:00.399 --> 01:23:02.760
me or author or hughey long

1704
01:23:02.760 --> 01:23:05.600
A blondie heffner another boy that played with

1705
01:23:05.600 --> 01:23:08.439
us in New Mexico

1706
01:23:09.079 --> 01:23:10.880
He went down there and stayed about a month,

1707
01:23:10.880 --> 01:23:12.680
but he didn't stay down there

1708
01:23:13.239 --> 01:23:16.520
but when they when they took him down there, uh

1709
01:23:17.319 --> 01:23:18.920
author was in

1710
01:23:18.920 --> 01:23:20.920
Up went up to Hughey long's office

1711
01:23:21.399 --> 01:23:24.859
And took him out the football field in the limousine

1712
01:23:26.039 --> 01:23:28.319
And opened the gore and the coach come up and

1713
01:23:28.319 --> 01:23:30.600
and Hughey long

1714
01:23:30.600 --> 01:23:33.000
Long said said to the coach says here's our

1715
01:23:33.000 --> 01:23:35.399
football team and out

1716
01:23:36.199 --> 01:23:37.520
author football football team. This is your

1717
01:23:37.520 --> 01:23:38.840
football team

1718
01:23:39.800 --> 01:23:41.800
and if he if he hadn't

1719
01:23:42.439 --> 01:23:44.119
if he hadn't uh

1720
01:23:44.119 --> 01:23:46.079
Had if he hadn't had tb and don't tell him

1721
01:23:46.079 --> 01:23:49.880
where he'd gone to because

1722
01:23:49.880 --> 01:23:51.920
Uh, I know he played against Mississippi. I

1723
01:23:51.920 --> 01:23:53.960
believe it was

1724
01:23:55.239 --> 01:23:57.479
first night game at lsu had

1725
01:23:57.479 --> 01:23:59.720
And he made five touchdowns and the shortest

1726
01:23:59.720 --> 01:24:01.960
run he made was 23 yards

1727
01:24:02.760 --> 01:24:05.420
One 50 and 60 yard run for touchdowns

1728
01:24:06.439 --> 01:24:08.439
And that was the first night game

1729
01:24:09.079 --> 01:24:12.680
Uh, so this article says and and I know he played

1730
01:24:13.319 --> 01:24:15.970
He played that game and played another at lsu

1731
01:24:15.970 --> 01:24:18.619
and then they then they come to tcu

1732
01:24:20.279 --> 01:24:22.760
To play and tcu being three to nothing

1733
01:24:22.760 --> 01:24:25.760
And he played he didn't he didn't do a thing

1734
01:24:25.760 --> 01:24:28.760
but punt that day. He didn't do another thing

1735
01:24:28.840 --> 01:24:30.760
Never run the ball of time

1736
01:24:30.760 --> 01:24:32.479
And and I went over and talked to him. I said

1737
01:24:32.479 --> 01:24:34.199
author. What's the matter? They're not playing

1738
01:24:34.920 --> 01:24:37.720
I said I don't feel good. He says I go in and punt

1739
01:24:38.439 --> 01:24:40.439
I said I just don't feel good and

1740
01:24:40.680 --> 01:24:42.680
and he went back to

1741
01:24:42.920 --> 01:24:45.319
Lsu and played one game on

1742
01:24:46.520 --> 01:24:48.279
Saturday night

1743
01:24:48.279 --> 01:24:51.680
And he didn't go he didn't get out of his bed

1744
01:24:51.680 --> 01:24:55.079
on on Sunday and Monday at uh,

1745
01:24:56.199 --> 01:24:58.199
at uh, noon

1746
01:24:58.600 --> 01:25:00.600
He went out and ate and then Tuesday

1747
01:25:00.680 --> 01:25:02.279
The boys that played the all the game on that

1748
01:25:02.279 --> 01:25:05.479
night didn't have to suit up to come out till Tuesday

1749
01:25:05.880 --> 01:25:07.880
So he went out Tuesday

1750
01:25:08.520 --> 01:25:10.079
And started running up and down the field.

1751
01:25:10.079 --> 01:25:11.640
They'd run 100 yards sprint

1752
01:25:11.640 --> 01:25:13.773
And he said he run 100 yards and said he

1753
01:25:13.773 --> 01:25:15.906
started running the second hundred and hammered

1754
01:25:15.906 --> 01:25:18.039
right there on the football field

1755
01:25:19.960 --> 01:25:21.960
And so here he long

1756
01:25:23.159 --> 01:25:25.159
Called us up and

1757
01:25:25.800 --> 01:25:27.159
Then finally they had to send him home with no

1758
01:25:27.159 --> 01:25:28.520
pass. So

1759
01:25:29.560 --> 01:25:32.279
We went I didn't go down. Connie went down to

1760
01:25:32.279 --> 01:25:35.000
drive here. He long gave him a car

1761
01:25:36.279 --> 01:25:38.359
And Connie went down to drive that car back and

1762
01:25:38.359 --> 01:25:40.439
when it was

1763
01:25:40.439 --> 01:25:42.079
Two or three two or three of them went down

1764
01:25:42.079 --> 01:25:43.720
their mother went there

1765
01:25:44.359 --> 01:25:46.359
And brought off their back

1766
01:25:47.479 --> 01:25:48.680
put him in the

1767
01:25:48.680 --> 01:25:50.680
sanitarium at uh

1768
01:25:51.159 --> 01:25:53.079
at uh

1769
01:25:53.079 --> 01:25:55.079
Los cruces

1770
01:25:55.079 --> 01:25:56.439
out there

1771
01:25:56.439 --> 01:25:58.439
at home in sanitarium

1772
01:25:58.760 --> 01:26:02.199
And they kept him there for about 10 12 10 11

1773
01:26:02.199 --> 01:26:05.640
months because he's on the second floor

1774
01:26:06.279 --> 01:26:08.279
right above the

1775
01:26:08.279 --> 01:26:09.880
Place where the hand was back up to pick the

1776
01:26:09.880 --> 01:26:11.479
dead to take them out

1777
01:26:13.079 --> 01:26:15.239
We was down there to see him and and he had a

1778
01:26:15.239 --> 01:26:17.399
list made out

1779
01:26:18.119 --> 01:26:20.399
What room was empty emptied this time empty and

1780
01:26:20.399 --> 01:26:22.680
he made a mark to us

1781
01:26:22.680 --> 01:26:25.520
He says says I'm going out on my two feet. I'm

1782
01:26:25.520 --> 01:26:28.359
like going out in that carrot down there

1783
01:26:28.920 --> 01:26:31.000
And so he when he got or he'd been there about

1784
01:26:31.000 --> 01:26:33.079
11 months, I think

1785
01:26:33.720 --> 01:26:35.720
He called up and said he's coming home

1786
01:26:35.720 --> 01:26:38.520
that's 1935 and

1787
01:26:39.239 --> 01:26:41.239
He lived well, he lived about

1788
01:26:42.039 --> 01:26:44.920
Six seven months after he got home died of Tb

1789
01:26:46.020 --> 01:26:49.239
1935 he's he's 24 years old

1790
01:26:50.600 --> 01:26:52.600
right in the prime of his life, but

1791
01:26:53.720 --> 01:26:55.079
But you can't

1792
01:26:55.079 --> 01:26:57.079
It ain't happen

1793
01:26:57.479 --> 01:27:00.079
And the trouble is see why my mother's brother

1794
01:27:00.079 --> 01:27:02.680
died of Tb

1795
01:27:05.159 --> 01:27:07.239
She said his body he died here and you followed

1796
01:27:07.239 --> 01:27:09.319
she sent his body back to

1797
01:27:09.960 --> 01:27:11.960
Illinois for buried because I have a letter

1798
01:27:11.960 --> 01:27:13.960
from her sister up there

1799
01:27:14.840 --> 01:27:17.479
Saying that she hadn't received his trunk yet

1800
01:27:18.359 --> 01:27:19.720
and that

1801
01:27:19.720 --> 01:27:21.840
The barrel up there cost so much and this and

1802
01:27:21.840 --> 01:27:23.960
that and if you want to pay something on it

1803
01:27:23.960 --> 01:27:25.960
Why you could pay something on it?

1804
01:27:26.520 --> 01:27:28.840
to bear her brother so so

1805
01:27:28.840 --> 01:27:31.760
And of course, I guess I guess the mother paid

1806
01:27:31.760 --> 01:27:34.680
that her dad paid the bill or something because

1807
01:27:35.399 --> 01:27:37.239
I don't have any other letter and those people

1808
01:27:37.239 --> 01:27:39.079
up there. I've never been I need

1809
01:27:39.560 --> 01:27:41.560
I should have gone up there

1810
01:27:42.199 --> 01:27:43.960
and checked and

1811
01:27:43.960 --> 01:27:45.960
up there with the rest of the

1812
01:27:46.359 --> 01:27:48.359
marshal family, but

1813
01:27:49.640 --> 01:27:51.640
Incidentally, where did they

1814
01:27:52.119 --> 01:27:55.560
Can't get the name iron head iron in Harry Hansard

1815
01:27:55.560 --> 01:27:57.933
Played in on the Arkansas football team. He

1816
01:27:57.933 --> 01:28:00.306
made all all conference all eastern and

1817
01:28:00.306 --> 01:28:02.680
Southwest conference in

1818
01:28:03.239 --> 01:28:06.520
And swede jamison was a tackle on that same team

1819
01:28:07.159 --> 01:28:09.039
And swede jamison always called him iron head

1820
01:28:09.039 --> 01:28:10.920
nicknamed him iron head

1821
01:28:10.920 --> 01:28:13.133
And that's where the name come from was Harry

1822
01:28:13.133 --> 01:28:15.346
hansard because the year before swede coached

1823
01:28:15.346 --> 01:28:17.560
in 22

1824
01:28:18.039 --> 01:28:20.039
And it's called swedes in 22

1825
01:28:20.600 --> 01:28:22.760
when Harry Hansard come in 23

1826
01:28:22.760 --> 01:28:25.960
Well, they named the the 23 team after Harry

1827
01:28:25.960 --> 01:28:29.159
and on top of that

1828
01:28:30.199 --> 01:28:32.560
In 23 when Harry come here in August to take

1829
01:28:32.560 --> 01:28:34.920
over Jamison's team

1830
01:28:35.479 --> 01:28:44.680
We're working out twice a day 100 degree weather Harry

1831
01:28:44.680 --> 01:28:46.493
Swede went up where he played baseball. He went

1832
01:28:46.493 --> 01:28:50.119
up to southwest Common played Muskogee up there and

1833
01:28:53.319 --> 01:28:56.199
Stayed here and and that year Harry was he was

1834
01:28:56.199 --> 01:28:59.079
rough as a cob and cussing all the time

1835
01:28:59.720 --> 01:29:01.800
And the baptist church and the churches here

1836
01:29:03.640 --> 01:29:05.640
Got up didn't get a petition started talking

1837
01:29:05.640 --> 01:29:07.640
and we didn't want Harry Hansard

1838
01:29:08.199 --> 01:29:10.840
Cussing to our boys and he'd beat him in the

1839
01:29:10.840 --> 01:29:13.479
back end too, but couldn't sit down sometime

1840
01:29:13.479 --> 01:29:16.600
And that's the way he coached and so in 24 he

1841
01:29:16.600 --> 01:29:19.720
went to durant to coach

1842
01:29:20.279 --> 01:29:22.640
And we played durant Muskogee up there and they

1843
01:29:22.640 --> 01:29:25.000
beat us 26-24 to nothing up there

1844
01:29:26.520 --> 01:29:27.960
Durant then we played them nothing nothing the

1845
01:29:27.960 --> 01:29:29.399
year before

1846
01:29:30.199 --> 01:29:31.880
and so

1847
01:29:31.880 --> 01:29:34.359
We got in 1924 summer

1848
01:29:35.319 --> 01:29:37.319
Yeah, no the winter

1849
01:29:37.319 --> 01:29:41.800
Yeah, I've been in 20 24

1850
01:29:42.439 --> 01:29:44.199
In the winter of 24, we got up a petition the

1851
01:29:44.199 --> 01:29:45.960
football team did

1852
01:29:46.600 --> 01:29:49.159
And took it all over town to get Harry Hansard back

1853
01:29:49.880 --> 01:29:52.279
And we got him back with a 500 raise

1854
01:29:52.920 --> 01:29:54.760
We worked all summer getting a petition signed

1855
01:29:54.760 --> 01:29:56.600
up, you know for get Harry back

1856
01:29:57.159 --> 01:30:00.760
He come back in in 25

1857
01:30:00.760 --> 01:30:04.079
And see he was here the 23 season football

1858
01:30:04.079 --> 01:30:07.399
season the 25 football the 26 football season

1859
01:30:08.100 --> 01:30:11.149
27 he went to ozarks and coached 27 28 29 he

1860
01:30:11.149 --> 01:30:14.199
come back to you for

1861
01:30:14.840 --> 01:30:18.300
And coached 29 and 30 31 and 32

1862
01:30:19.159 --> 01:30:21.899
That's when he got killed and going to stilwell

1863
01:30:22.600 --> 01:30:25.800
And 32 is when I took over coaching the iron head

1864
01:30:25.800 --> 01:30:28.079
And I coached the iron head football team and

1865
01:30:28.079 --> 01:30:30.359
also the basketball team

1866
01:30:32.760 --> 01:30:36.300
In february of the basketball season I took pneumonia

1867
01:30:37.640 --> 01:30:40.359
And should have died I supposed to die and I

1868
01:30:40.359 --> 01:30:43.079
didn't in 32. I spent

1869
01:30:44.199 --> 01:30:46.880
I spent a month in bed at home and about three

1870
01:30:46.880 --> 01:30:49.560
weeks in the baptist hospital Muskogee

1871
01:30:49.560 --> 01:30:51.693
And it hadn't been for Dr. Thompson. Dr. Odom

1872
01:30:51.693 --> 01:30:53.826
in Muskogee. I guess I'd have been dead because

1873
01:30:53.826 --> 01:30:55.960
they're the ones that

1874
01:30:56.680 --> 01:30:58.039
doctored me

1875
01:30:58.039 --> 01:31:01.479
And got back and then when I after I got well

1876
01:31:02.840 --> 01:31:05.680
Mr. Nunn he was superintendent. He took over

1877
01:31:05.680 --> 01:31:08.520
the basketball coaching and took over the

1878
01:31:09.399 --> 01:31:11.000
I never didn't

1879
01:31:11.000 --> 01:31:13.000
Never didn't go back up to do it

1880
01:31:13.560 --> 01:31:15.560
I often wondered

1881
01:31:15.560 --> 01:31:17.479
How good a coach I'd have made I mean I never

1882
01:31:17.479 --> 01:31:19.399
would know although

1883
01:31:20.119 --> 01:31:23.159
The team in 32 team was all freshmen

1884
01:31:23.960 --> 01:31:26.039
And that team turned out to be one of the next

1885
01:31:26.039 --> 01:31:28.119
the third or fourth best teams we ever had was

1886
01:31:28.119 --> 01:31:30.199
those freshmen boys

1887
01:31:31.720 --> 01:31:33.640
Skeet co

1888
01:31:33.640 --> 01:31:36.680
played uh toots Tootsco

1889
01:31:36.680 --> 01:31:39.720
played for teach paid for Tulsa University fullback

1890
01:31:39.720 --> 01:31:42.173
Bob harper and Clinton light played for

1891
01:31:42.173 --> 01:31:44.626
southwest conference down there in the college

1892
01:31:44.626 --> 01:31:47.079
for for that team

1893
01:31:49.000 --> 01:31:51.000
All the boys turned out pretty good

1894
01:31:52.039 --> 01:31:54.039
You mentioned Dr. Oldham a minute ago

1895
01:31:54.600 --> 01:31:56.600
Was that brown or Ib O?

1896
01:31:57.479 --> 01:31:59.479
That's the old doctor

1897
01:31:59.560 --> 01:32:01.560
Is that him right there?

1898
01:32:01.560 --> 01:32:05.199
Right up second from the on the top second from

1899
01:32:05.199 --> 01:32:08.840
the well, I didn't know he was that young

1900
01:32:10.199 --> 01:32:12.279
See that that'd been awfully young. I don't

1901
01:32:12.279 --> 01:32:14.359
know the old doctor old

1902
01:32:15.159 --> 01:32:17.640
That was about 1904. So yeah

1903
01:32:18.039 --> 01:32:20.119
No, I wouldn't have known him then right

1904
01:32:20.119 --> 01:32:22.199
because see we didn't get acquainted with him till

1905
01:32:22.920 --> 01:32:24.920
till uh

1906
01:32:25.079 --> 01:32:27.880
Well that that that was in 32 when I was up there

1907
01:32:27.880 --> 01:32:31.319
Of course now we use we use old them for

1908
01:32:34.199 --> 01:32:36.439
For in 33 for our daughter

1909
01:32:37.399 --> 01:32:39.533
So at least the first daughter born in 33. He

1910
01:32:39.533 --> 01:32:41.666
died about the time we went to Muskogee in 40.

1911
01:32:41.666 --> 01:32:43.800
Oh, yeah

1912
01:32:43.800 --> 01:32:45.800
I think he died that winter. Yeah

1913
01:32:46.279 --> 01:32:48.279
and when we used uh

1914
01:32:48.520 --> 01:32:50.119
Well, I see

1915
01:32:50.119 --> 01:32:52.119
No, the young doctor on them

1916
01:32:52.439 --> 01:32:57.319
In 43 brown. He was K's doctor

1917
01:32:58.920 --> 01:33:00.680
You know doctors do things funny they did then

1918
01:33:00.680 --> 01:33:02.439
they do now

1919
01:33:03.720 --> 01:33:05.640
We went up there the river was up. We had to go

1920
01:33:05.640 --> 01:33:07.560
around through dusting and around to

1921
01:33:08.119 --> 01:33:10.600
We leak and then back Chicago and then in

1922
01:33:10.600 --> 01:33:13.079
Muskogee rivers all up 43 and

1923
01:33:13.880 --> 01:33:15.319
Was it up?

1924
01:33:15.319 --> 01:33:18.520
Yeah, and and I went I was out the badge hospital

1925
01:33:18.600 --> 01:33:20.520
I was up in the hallway there at the end where

1926
01:33:20.520 --> 01:33:22.439
the doctors all come in and park

1927
01:33:22.439 --> 01:33:26.000
and doctor come in and parked in the back way

1928
01:33:26.000 --> 01:33:29.560
and I as soon as he parked I run took out for the

1929
01:33:30.119 --> 01:33:32.226
Delivery room because then it lets you in

1930
01:33:32.226 --> 01:33:34.333
there, you know, I walked I walked the living

1931
01:33:34.333 --> 01:33:36.439
room and the nurse had already delivered K

1932
01:33:36.760 --> 01:33:38.760
Here come Dr. Brown

1933
01:33:39.159 --> 01:33:42.920
I had to pay him $76 for delivering the baby

1934
01:33:43.399 --> 01:33:45.399
And the nurse delivered her

1935
01:33:46.199 --> 01:33:51.800
I told K I says you got gypped out of $76 $76

1936
01:33:52.920 --> 01:33:58.119
He was our doctor and uh brown was and uh, we took

1937
01:33:58.760 --> 01:34:00.520
uh him to

1938
01:34:00.520 --> 01:34:02.920
Took tom to have his consulate taken out. Yeah

1939
01:34:03.640 --> 01:34:05.640
Well, he already and so on

1940
01:34:06.359 --> 01:34:08.039
He did a little exam said we can't do this

1941
01:34:08.039 --> 01:34:09.720
today says he's a bleeder

1942
01:34:10.600 --> 01:34:12.520
And so he'll bleed to death

1943
01:34:12.520 --> 01:34:14.520
So we'd better we'd better

1944
01:34:15.640 --> 01:34:17.399
Give you some medicine

1945
01:34:17.399 --> 01:34:19.533
Come back in a few days and then we can we can

1946
01:34:19.533 --> 01:34:23.800
operate on this I've been operating on now at all

1947
01:34:24.600 --> 01:34:26.600
And I've come me to first get acquainted

1948
01:34:27.640 --> 01:34:29.640
I wasn't in my skogie very long

1949
01:34:29.960 --> 01:34:31.479
when uh

1950
01:34:31.479 --> 01:34:33.079
He uh, I woke up in the middle of night with a

1951
01:34:33.079 --> 01:34:34.680
kidney stone

1952
01:34:35.239 --> 01:34:37.800
And oh, I was rolling and tossing

1953
01:34:38.840 --> 01:34:40.520
Why I said call the doctor I said who said

1954
01:34:40.520 --> 01:34:42.199
don't care just call one just go down the list

1955
01:34:42.199 --> 01:34:43.880
and call them

1956
01:34:44.199 --> 01:34:46.199
Well, we called him

1957
01:34:46.199 --> 01:34:48.479
And incidentally in that he told me to drink

1958
01:34:48.479 --> 01:34:50.760
buttermilk that maybe I'd

1959
01:34:51.720 --> 01:34:53.920
Pass it and sure enough. I guess I passed it or

1960
01:34:53.920 --> 01:34:56.119
ate it up. I got along all right

1961
01:34:58.039 --> 01:35:00.039
And I've asked lots of doctors about that and

1962
01:35:00.039 --> 01:35:02.039
nobody ever knows a thing about it, but anyhow

1963
01:35:02.039 --> 01:35:04.039
it seems to work

1964
01:35:05.880 --> 01:35:08.439
Well, well, that's why you learn things yeah

1965
01:35:10.199 --> 01:35:12.199
But we uh

1966
01:35:12.199 --> 01:35:14.880
Uh, I took him another interesting thing about

1967
01:35:14.880 --> 01:35:17.560
uh brown you'll be interested in that

1968
01:35:18.359 --> 01:35:20.560
I brought him in from camp one time brought a

1969
01:35:20.560 --> 01:35:22.760
boy in from camp that had that had

1970
01:35:24.279 --> 01:35:26.279
Walking on these one of these uh

1971
01:35:26.439 --> 01:35:29.319
Little rails and doing the fitness deal, you know

1972
01:35:29.319 --> 01:35:31.140
They had those all sorts of things to do and he

1973
01:35:31.140 --> 01:35:34.779
fell and fell off of it and broke his collarbone

1974
01:35:37.479 --> 01:35:39.039
Yeah, both arm or collarbone. He broke his arm

1975
01:35:39.039 --> 01:35:40.600
and elbow

1976
01:35:40.600 --> 01:35:43.880
So I went to Dr. Masters and had a x-ray made

1977
01:35:43.880 --> 01:35:47.159
and showed it took it on in to

1978
01:35:47.720 --> 01:35:49.720
This boy doctor with Dr. Odom

1979
01:35:50.279 --> 01:35:52.279
So take him on to Muskogee

1980
01:35:53.319 --> 01:35:54.600
And he

1981
01:35:54.600 --> 01:35:56.239
put it in the slang didn't do a thing to it put

1982
01:35:56.239 --> 01:35:57.880
it in Slang and

1983
01:35:58.439 --> 01:36:00.439
I stood there waiting for something else to happen

1984
01:36:00.840 --> 01:36:02.439
I said doctor and I said are you gonna put that

1985
01:36:02.439 --> 01:36:04.039
in the splint? No, I'm not gonna put that in

1986
01:36:04.039 --> 01:36:05.640
the splint

1987
01:36:05.640 --> 01:36:08.359
He said he'll have a stiff elbow if I do said I

1988
01:36:08.359 --> 01:36:11.079
want him to keep it in that in that slang

1989
01:36:11.399 --> 01:36:12.720
And I want him to exercise as much as he can

1990
01:36:12.720 --> 01:36:14.039
every day

1991
01:36:15.079 --> 01:36:17.720
Said he won't have a stiff elbow that away

1992
01:36:18.520 --> 01:36:20.920
So I stood there with my mouth open talk

1993
01:36:21.640 --> 01:36:23.159
If he expected something else to be done, you

1994
01:36:23.159 --> 01:36:24.680
know showing up that boy had as good elbow

1995
01:36:24.680 --> 01:36:26.199
today as I am

1996
01:36:26.199 --> 01:36:31.960
Yeah learn by doing

1997
01:36:37.720 --> 01:36:39.720
Was it

1998
01:36:40.359 --> 01:36:41.479
Wrap it up

1999
01:36:41.479 --> 01:36:44.880
Well, I I'd like to get just a little bit about

2000
01:36:44.880 --> 01:36:48.279
your daddy and his banking and his real estate

2001
01:36:48.279 --> 01:36:50.786
Holy, I want you to tell me about the fact that

2002
01:36:50.786 --> 01:36:53.293
he attained so much land. Tell me about all

2003
01:36:53.293 --> 01:36:55.800
about uh,

2004
01:36:56.359 --> 01:36:58.439
all that from time and time

2005
01:36:59.479 --> 01:37:01.159
well, and

2006
01:37:01.159 --> 01:37:03.960
I read in the thing, of course, he bought lots of

2007
01:37:04.520 --> 01:37:07.399
Indian land from the Indians through the department

2008
01:37:08.039 --> 01:37:09.880
and at one time

2009
01:37:09.880 --> 01:37:12.479
I don't know whether he owned the land or not,

2010
01:37:12.479 --> 01:37:15.079
but West Ufala for five or six miles

2011
01:37:15.079 --> 01:37:18.159
He rented that three thousand three three three

2012
01:37:18.159 --> 01:37:21.239
thousand three hundred acres for pasture

2013
01:37:22.039 --> 01:37:24.760
Now he read it to fell for it now whether he

2014
01:37:24.760 --> 01:37:27.479
owned it or not. I don't I don't know

2015
01:37:27.720 --> 01:37:30.439
I never I don't see any record of that but back

2016
01:37:30.439 --> 01:37:33.159
in those days, you know, you didn't have to

2017
01:37:34.840 --> 01:37:37.640
Own anything you said that's my land. It's my land

2018
01:37:38.920 --> 01:37:40.920
But anyhow, he owned

2019
01:37:40.920 --> 01:37:43.760
He owned he rented that land now whether he

2020
01:37:43.760 --> 01:37:46.600
owned it all or not, but he owned lots of land in

2021
01:37:47.319 --> 01:37:50.119
Macintosh county and he owned land in Colorado.

2022
01:37:50.119 --> 01:37:52.920
He owned land in Kansas. He owned land in Texas

2023
01:37:53.640 --> 01:37:55.640
he owned land and and

2024
01:37:57.000 --> 01:37:59.600
I don't think he owned any land in Arkansas

2025
01:37:59.600 --> 01:38:02.199
that I know of but but he did help build

2026
01:38:03.079 --> 01:38:05.239
A bank over there when they put in a bank over

2027
01:38:05.239 --> 01:38:07.399
there one time and that bank ended up buying

2028
01:38:07.399 --> 01:38:09.560
him out there on

2029
01:38:09.560 --> 01:38:12.760
But uh, but he owned land and uh

2030
01:38:13.880 --> 01:38:15.640
I know he uh

2031
01:38:15.640 --> 01:38:17.130
He had a friend to move to from Muskogee moved

2032
01:38:17.130 --> 01:38:18.619
to California

2033
01:38:19.880 --> 01:38:21.880
And out there on the coast

2034
01:38:22.199 --> 01:38:23.760
And this friend called him told him come out

2035
01:38:23.760 --> 01:38:25.319
there and invest in that land

2036
01:38:25.319 --> 01:38:27.319
And he he went out there to see him and he come

2037
01:38:27.319 --> 01:38:29.319
back and said he didn't want that salt

2038
01:38:30.039 --> 01:38:31.673
Salt land out there and and thought it wasn't

2039
01:38:31.673 --> 01:38:34.939
any good. Of course that man turned out to be a millionaire

2040
01:38:34.939 --> 01:38:38.100
Yeah, and that all yeah and this and that but

2041
01:38:38.100 --> 01:38:41.260
he owned when you went to Denver

2042
01:38:41.979 --> 01:38:43.979
Yeah, he uh Denver

2043
01:38:43.979 --> 01:38:46.493
We got the car out there one summer visit and

2044
01:38:46.493 --> 01:38:51.520
he he helped build a for uh, motel out there in trinidad

2045
01:38:53.739 --> 01:38:55.899
And we went out there to stay and spend the

2046
01:38:55.899 --> 01:38:58.060
summer and he uh, he made the mark one day. He

2047
01:38:58.060 --> 01:39:00.220
wanted to go to the

2048
01:39:00.220 --> 01:39:04.539
Uh clerk's office and check on a piece of land

2049
01:39:05.180 --> 01:39:07.500
And he went to check on it and he'd sold it

2050
01:39:08.460 --> 01:39:10.753
Like he bought it and then sold it and made a

2051
01:39:10.753 --> 01:39:13.046
profit of 2 or $300 or something. He wanted to

2052
01:39:13.046 --> 01:39:15.340
know where it was

2053
01:39:16.460 --> 01:39:18.779
And according to what he he found out that it

2054
01:39:18.779 --> 01:39:21.100
was in the heart of Denver

2055
01:39:21.739 --> 01:39:24.739
At 40 acres was in the heart of Denver at the

2056
01:39:24.739 --> 01:39:27.739
time. He bought it and sold it to the other Fella

2057
01:39:27.739 --> 01:39:31.100
So but you never know what saved

2058
01:39:32.300 --> 01:39:34.300
Of course and then in

2059
01:39:34.600 --> 01:39:36.369
Trinidad, he lost lost a lot of land out there

2060
01:39:36.369 --> 01:39:38.140
for taxes

2061
01:39:39.180 --> 01:39:41.460
And when the depression hit why he it's hard

2062
01:39:41.460 --> 01:39:43.739
for him to pay taxes, right?

2063
01:39:46.060 --> 01:39:48.300
Back in the 40s. No, he had he owed taxes and

2064
01:39:48.300 --> 01:39:50.539
he couldn't he couldn't pay at all

2065
01:39:50.539 --> 01:39:54.100
He lost thousands of acres in Mcintosh County

2066
01:39:54.100 --> 01:39:57.659
and lost 160 or 660 acres in Tokyo County

2067
01:39:57.739 --> 01:39:59.739
He owned a whole section down there

2068
01:40:00.060 --> 01:40:02.380
For taxes, he couldn't pay the taxes

2069
01:40:04.859 --> 01:40:06.380
Bob Simpson

2070
01:40:06.380 --> 01:40:10.939
Loaned him 1,200 up there 12 or 12 or $1,300

2071
01:40:11.739 --> 01:40:14.020
So he could pay up his best land that he could

2072
01:40:14.020 --> 01:40:16.300
pay up and pay tax on though

2073
01:40:16.300 --> 01:40:18.420
We had a river bottom land here and he paid

2074
01:40:18.420 --> 01:40:20.539
that he paid some of these others

2075
01:40:22.060 --> 01:40:24.539
He just just couldn't didn't have the money

2076
01:40:25.579 --> 01:40:26.939
Old man cook

2077
01:40:26.939 --> 01:40:28.939
Russell cook's father had the same

2078
01:40:29.020 --> 01:40:31.286
Experience he was able to reclaim some of his

2079
01:40:31.286 --> 01:40:33.553
well, uh, Russell said no Russell Rj said in

2080
01:40:33.553 --> 01:40:35.819
his talk up there

2081
01:40:36.460 --> 01:40:38.460
That if it hadn't been for the dam

2082
01:40:38.939 --> 01:40:40.779
They could they could have got out of debt said

2083
01:40:40.779 --> 01:40:42.619
what put them out of debt were selling that

2084
01:40:42.619 --> 01:40:44.460
fame bottom land

2085
01:40:44.460 --> 01:40:46.460
And paid for all their nets

2086
01:40:46.939 --> 01:40:48.859
And and he owed he owed a lot on there because

2087
01:40:48.859 --> 01:40:50.779
cook used to

2088
01:40:51.899 --> 01:40:53.979
We he owned that whole bottom one time

2089
01:40:55.020 --> 01:40:57.420
Well, he he was land forwarded like your father

2090
01:40:57.500 --> 01:40:59.500
But he was able to and you say that you pulled

2091
01:40:59.500 --> 01:41:01.500
it down put him out of it. That's what that's

2092
01:41:01.500 --> 01:41:06.300
what Rj said but

2093
01:41:06.300 --> 01:41:08.100
I had some interesting interviews with Rj on

2094
01:41:08.100 --> 01:41:09.899
all that. Oh, yeah

2095
01:41:09.899 --> 01:41:11.979
Yeah, well, he's the one that told his dad, you

2096
01:41:11.979 --> 01:41:14.060
know, he's broke. Yeah

2097
01:41:16.220 --> 01:41:18.220
That's what he said

2098
01:41:18.380 --> 01:41:19.873
He got to be he went to ou and got to be a

2099
01:41:19.873 --> 01:41:21.366
bookkeeper and come back and told his daddy

2100
01:41:21.366 --> 01:41:22.859
he's broke

2101
01:41:24.619 --> 01:41:27.340
But there wasn't any money nobody had any money then

2102
01:41:27.739 --> 01:41:29.260
But of course we never did go without anything

2103
01:41:29.260 --> 01:41:32.300
to eat because we had a garden had a hog got chickens

2104
01:41:32.939 --> 01:41:34.939
milk milk their own cows

2105
01:41:35.579 --> 01:41:37.899
And you never like one fella

2106
01:41:37.899 --> 01:41:39.899
Uh talking the other day said that they took

2107
01:41:39.899 --> 01:41:41.899
all that the family

2108
01:41:42.300 --> 01:41:44.273
The husband wouldn't bring nothing in on tv and

2109
01:41:44.273 --> 01:41:46.246
had six kids and they said he had fed them out

2110
01:41:46.246 --> 01:41:48.220
to different people

2111
01:41:48.699 --> 01:41:50.739
And he said he never thought we was poor and we

2112
01:41:50.739 --> 01:41:52.779
always had plenty to eat

2113
01:41:53.260 --> 01:41:54.659
And that's the way we were here. We had plenty

2114
01:41:54.659 --> 01:41:56.060
to eat with no money

2115
01:41:56.539 --> 01:41:59.819
But money was scarce item what you see a lot of people

2116
01:42:00.460 --> 01:42:02.539
Weren't on the farms and so on and they they

2117
01:42:02.539 --> 01:42:04.619
they really suffered on doing it. Oh, yeah

2118
01:42:04.619 --> 01:42:06.619
But it's uh

2119
01:42:07.979 --> 01:42:09.939
Oh doing that doing that very period I was

2120
01:42:09.939 --> 01:42:11.899
teaching at strong Texas

2121
01:42:13.260 --> 01:42:15.473
And uh those people some of them had hit bad

2122
01:42:15.473 --> 01:42:17.686
before a little bit before first place all that

2123
01:42:17.686 --> 01:42:19.899
area was

2124
01:42:20.920 --> 01:42:22.920
abandoned uh

2125
01:42:23.020 --> 01:42:25.899
fields of uh coal

2126
01:42:25.899 --> 01:42:28.300
And oil and it was about depleted and they had

2127
01:42:28.300 --> 01:42:30.699
gone north to be in the

2128
01:42:30.699 --> 01:42:32.619
A factory and so on and when the factory

2129
01:42:32.619 --> 01:42:34.539
started closing down they started going down

2130
01:42:34.539 --> 01:42:36.619
So we had a depression before anybody else did. Yeah

2131
01:42:37.260 --> 01:42:39.260
And uh, so my boy scouts

2132
01:42:39.579 --> 01:42:41.420
Went around and would get a quart of milk from

2133
01:42:41.420 --> 01:42:43.260
you and take it to somebody else that didn't

2134
01:42:43.260 --> 01:42:45.100
have one

2135
01:42:45.579 --> 01:42:46.779
That was before the Red Cross, you know did

2136
01:42:46.779 --> 01:42:47.979
some of that kind of stuff

2137
01:42:48.060 --> 01:42:50.699
But that's before the Red Cross started doing

2138
01:42:50.699 --> 01:42:53.340
that and that's how poor they were and uh, I

2139
01:42:54.220 --> 01:42:57.340
Fortunately, I always got script for my pay

2140
01:42:57.340 --> 01:42:58.779
Yeah, well, I couldn't cash it in town so they

2141
01:42:58.779 --> 01:43:00.220
knew too much about it

2142
01:43:00.220 --> 01:43:02.006
But I could take it to Austin and go to school

2143
01:43:02.006 --> 01:43:05.579
during the summer and they they uh cash it. All right

2144
01:43:05.659 --> 01:43:07.659
Yeah, I never will forget me

2145
01:43:07.899 --> 01:43:10.180
Uh, of course my dad had office rents and he

2146
01:43:10.180 --> 01:43:12.460
rented with a lawyer lawyer

2147
01:43:13.100 --> 01:43:15.659
Whitaker up here. He's in office one day and said

2148
01:43:16.539 --> 01:43:19.739
Said uh, Mr. Torley, would you take a cow for rent?

2149
01:43:20.539 --> 01:43:22.420
And and he looked at me and said you want a cow

2150
01:43:22.420 --> 01:43:24.300
marshal? I said, yeah, I'll take it

2151
01:43:24.300 --> 01:43:26.020
So that's I started my first cow business there

2152
01:43:26.020 --> 01:43:27.739
milking cows

2153
01:43:28.779 --> 01:43:30.779
and and that cow

2154
01:43:30.859 --> 01:43:32.779
Raised two girls

2155
01:43:32.779 --> 01:43:34.939
and raised a calf every year and I'd sell that

2156
01:43:34.939 --> 01:43:37.100
calf and you know, and then I

2157
01:43:37.739 --> 01:43:40.539
Then then the farm out here I own now Dad said

2158
01:43:40.539 --> 01:43:43.340
now I can't pay the tax on it

2159
01:43:43.579 --> 01:43:46.380
You pay the tax you can have it. So I went and

2160
01:43:47.100 --> 01:43:49.180
In roundabout way. I finally got the land land

2161
01:43:49.180 --> 01:43:51.260
office over here

2162
01:43:51.260 --> 01:43:53.500
I had a friend that knew him and he called up

2163
01:43:53.500 --> 01:43:55.739
and said get 5 by $500. Well, it's 400 some odd

2164
01:43:55.739 --> 01:43:57.979
dollars tax

2165
01:43:58.699 --> 01:44:01.779
So Mr. Simpson down here loaned me the 500

2166
01:44:01.779 --> 01:44:04.859
until that got that loan through and then I

2167
01:44:04.859 --> 01:44:04.859
paid him

2168
01:44:07.180 --> 01:44:11.340
I bought that farm for 400 some odd dollars 280 acres

2169
01:44:12.300 --> 01:44:14.300
and and

2170
01:44:14.859 --> 01:44:17.579
Now to put on top of that doing your

2171
01:44:17.579 --> 01:44:19.500
Uh, you were a merchant for a good little while

2172
01:44:19.500 --> 01:44:21.420
tell us a little bit about that

2173
01:44:21.659 --> 01:44:24.300
Well, we went we we went and been us here in

2174
01:44:24.300 --> 01:44:26.939
1946 with western auto

2175
01:44:27.659 --> 01:44:29.659
And run it for 37 years

2176
01:44:31.340 --> 01:44:35.340
went out of medicine 83 but

2177
01:44:35.340 --> 01:44:36.979
We we had we had good times all the time. My

2178
01:44:36.979 --> 01:44:38.619
wife was a

2179
01:44:39.260 --> 01:44:41.260
Collector she's good. She's good

2180
01:44:41.260 --> 01:44:43.526
No, she ordered her dime. She she'd come see

2181
01:44:43.526 --> 01:44:45.793
you every day instead of once a month, you

2182
01:44:45.793 --> 01:44:48.060
know, she she's good collector

2183
01:44:48.539 --> 01:44:50.619
I know these collectors officials, you know

2184
01:44:50.619 --> 01:44:52.673
They come in and say we'll collect for 20 or 10

2185
01:44:52.673 --> 01:44:54.726
percent. I'd always and I said there's my

2186
01:44:54.726 --> 01:44:56.779
collector right there

2187
01:44:56.859 --> 01:44:58.300
You talk to her. She just laughs say we don't

2188
01:44:58.300 --> 01:44:59.739
need you

2189
01:45:01.739 --> 01:45:04.539
So I do the collecting around here and she collected

2190
01:45:05.180 --> 01:45:07.420
She didn't have a she didn't have a bad bill. I

2191
01:45:07.420 --> 01:45:09.659
hadn't one or two bad bills

2192
01:45:09.659 --> 01:45:11.819
But we as a whole we we didn't lose much money

2193
01:45:11.819 --> 01:45:16.140
at what we lost more and they robbed us than we did

2194
01:45:17.420 --> 01:45:19.340
They robbed us twice

2195
01:45:20.460 --> 01:45:22.619
That that hurt us more than anything else. Of course

2196
01:45:23.180 --> 01:45:24.939
You say insurance pays for it, but after you

2197
01:45:24.939 --> 01:45:26.699
after you send all your list then you find out

2198
01:45:26.699 --> 01:45:28.460
well, they got

2199
01:45:29.420 --> 01:45:31.739
Two or $400 more that you didn't know about so

2200
01:45:31.739 --> 01:45:34.060
you never you never get it all

2201
01:45:34.699 --> 01:45:36.699
but uh

2202
01:45:36.699 --> 01:45:39.659
but it we we enjoyed it and then then

2203
01:45:41.260 --> 01:45:43.260
I went to milk with us and

2204
01:45:43.260 --> 01:45:44.859
Delivered milk, you know around the block in

2205
01:45:44.859 --> 01:45:46.460
the block two blocks

2206
01:45:47.100 --> 01:45:49.100
And that got us through the depression part

2207
01:45:49.579 --> 01:45:52.113
Of course, we didn't we didn't feel like it's

2208
01:45:52.113 --> 01:45:54.646
depression to us. We had meal every day and ate

2209
01:45:54.646 --> 01:45:59.739
and did what we want to but

2210
01:45:59.739 --> 01:46:01.739
I don't know. It depends on how how on the hog

2211
01:46:01.739 --> 01:46:03.739
yard. That's right

2212
01:46:03.739 --> 01:46:05.460
Uh, of course people that if you're poor and

2213
01:46:05.460 --> 01:46:07.979
don't know it was not too bad Yeah

2214
01:46:07.979 --> 01:46:09.739
But if you're rich and never been poor you're

2215
01:46:09.739 --> 01:46:11.500
in bad shape makes the difference because some

2216
01:46:11.500 --> 01:46:13.260
of these days you're gonna be poor

2217
01:46:13.340 --> 01:46:14.859
That's right. Don't make how rich look at trump

2218
01:46:14.859 --> 01:46:16.380
up there

2219
01:46:18.300 --> 01:46:21.100
He's cut his throat when he built that gambling

2220
01:46:21.100 --> 01:46:23.899
outfit he he went under when he did that

2221
01:46:24.859 --> 01:46:26.779
He was flying my high. Yeah, he was he was

2222
01:46:26.779 --> 01:46:28.699
sitting on top of the world

2223
01:46:29.500 --> 01:46:31.819
And this thing will never make him any money

2224
01:46:31.819 --> 01:46:34.006
You know, I had a funny experience during the

2225
01:46:34.006 --> 01:46:36.193
depression as I say, I I I didn't we didn't

2226
01:46:36.193 --> 01:46:38.380
suffer too much

2227
01:46:38.460 --> 01:46:40.406
I had a garden and and uh was getting a little

2228
01:46:40.406 --> 01:46:44.300
salary not too much got $100 a month for being stupid

2229
01:46:44.460 --> 01:46:46.060
in school, yeah

2230
01:46:46.060 --> 01:46:48.060
No, if you could collect

2231
01:46:49.659 --> 01:46:51.739
And I was able to rickety by going down to

2232
01:46:51.739 --> 01:46:53.819
college and getting some more education

2233
01:46:54.699 --> 01:46:56.060
but a rather interesting thing happened to me

2234
01:46:56.060 --> 01:46:57.420
that uh

2235
01:46:57.420 --> 01:46:59.699
Uh, this is really back for it. I always tried

2236
01:46:59.699 --> 01:47:01.979
to be sort of rectified anybody

2237
01:47:02.699 --> 01:47:04.340
At school. I didn't mind helping the janitor or

2238
01:47:04.340 --> 01:47:05.979
anything like that. So

2239
01:47:06.619 --> 01:47:08.619
Uh there they had a road tax

2240
01:47:09.340 --> 01:47:11.713
uh, and you uh, you could either pole tax I

2241
01:47:11.713 --> 01:47:14.086
call it like pole tax except this is a road tax

2242
01:47:14.086 --> 01:47:16.460
and you could either

2243
01:47:16.859 --> 01:47:18.260
If if you didn't have the money, well, you

2244
01:47:18.260 --> 01:47:19.659
could work your own tax act

2245
01:47:20.380 --> 01:47:22.020
All right. I thought well boy listen be a

2246
01:47:22.020 --> 01:47:23.659
regular fellow. I'll just work mine

2247
01:47:23.659 --> 01:47:25.460
But you know, they like to run me out of town

2248
01:47:25.460 --> 01:47:27.260
over that because they said well

2249
01:47:27.260 --> 01:47:29.260
You're getting a little bit of money. Yeah

2250
01:47:29.340 --> 01:47:31.260
You ought to pay that you'll pay that $5 so

2251
01:47:31.260 --> 01:47:33.180
somebody else can make some money

2252
01:47:33.340 --> 01:47:34.500
So here where I thought I'd be in a regular

2253
01:47:34.500 --> 01:47:35.659
fellow. Why?

2254
01:47:36.699 --> 01:47:38.699
He didn't like that. No

2255
01:47:39.500 --> 01:47:41.739
Uh, I learned the lesson there pretty fast.

2256
01:47:41.739 --> 01:47:43.979
Yeah, that's true. I call it pole tax here.

2257
01:47:43.979 --> 01:47:46.220
You'd have to work there a summer

2258
01:47:47.180 --> 01:47:49.180
So many days through pole tax

2259
01:47:49.180 --> 01:47:51.380
Well, I tell you we've really enjoyed this and

2260
01:47:51.380 --> 01:47:53.579
just wish we could have

2261
01:47:54.539 --> 01:47:56.539
had another day or two

2262
01:47:57.260 --> 01:47:58.539
I don't know if we'll get through these

2263
01:47:58.539 --> 01:47:59.819
pictures in two more days

2264
01:48:01.180 --> 01:48:03.180
It's been a really an enjoyable

2265
01:48:03.500 --> 01:48:05.539
Well, I'm enjoying it because I I'm glad that

2266
01:48:05.539 --> 01:48:07.579
you have

2267
01:48:08.939 --> 01:48:10.619
opened up and just

2268
01:48:10.619 --> 01:48:12.406
Told us all about things because well, this is

2269
01:48:12.406 --> 01:48:14.193
going to be something that will be important in

2270
01:48:14.193 --> 01:48:15.979
the history of your heart

2271
01:48:15.979 --> 01:48:19.100
Well, it will be for the kids too, right? Yeah

2272
01:48:19.739 --> 01:48:21.100
I'll tell you

2273
01:48:21.100 --> 01:48:22.899
Our grandson now is working over at henretta

2274
01:48:22.899 --> 01:48:24.699
hospital right now

2275
01:48:25.260 --> 01:48:28.140
And going to bake homer school five days a week.

2276
01:48:28.140 --> 01:48:31.020
So he's he's having it but uh

2277
01:48:32.140 --> 01:48:33.633
He'll come out if you stay with it. If you just

2278
01:48:33.633 --> 01:48:35.126
stay we're working with it if he has to work

2279
01:48:35.126 --> 01:48:36.619
for it

2280
01:48:36.619 --> 01:48:38.619
He'll enjoy it. Well, he is

2281
01:48:39.739 --> 01:48:42.060
Probably they moved to henretta last month and

2282
01:48:42.060 --> 01:48:45.500
they've already robbed him. Oh my God

2283
01:48:45.500 --> 01:48:47.500
And he he learned one lesson

2284
01:48:47.979 --> 01:48:50.220
He learned he's got to keep his money with him

2285
01:48:50.220 --> 01:48:52.460
and put it in the bank because they stole $580

2286
01:48:53.180 --> 01:48:55.393
And all his watches and he had two of these,

2287
01:48:55.393 --> 01:48:57.606
uh, drone tiger prints not the regular picture

2288
01:48:57.606 --> 01:48:59.819
but the prints

2289
01:49:00.460 --> 01:49:02.220
and the

2290
01:49:02.220 --> 01:49:03.699
Police call him out there and says come down.

2291
01:49:03.699 --> 01:49:05.180
We've got your prints for him

2292
01:49:05.579 --> 01:49:07.686
And he went down to pick them up and he said

2293
01:49:07.686 --> 01:49:09.793
they found them in the old moggy pawn shop and

2294
01:49:09.793 --> 01:49:11.899
the pawn shop

2295
01:49:11.899 --> 01:49:15.659
Uh man over there and give them 50 a piece

2296
01:49:16.220 --> 01:49:18.779
And brian says they just paid 15 a piece one

2297
01:49:20.220 --> 01:49:22.220
They're just a print, you know

2298
01:49:23.180 --> 01:49:25.180
And the pawn shop man, I guess he thought they

2299
01:49:25.180 --> 01:49:27.180
were the originals, you know, and he gave them

2300
01:49:27.180 --> 01:49:29.180
50 a piece

2301
01:49:29.180 --> 01:49:31.180
What's original be worth $1,000?

2302
01:49:33.340 --> 01:49:36.460
And so Brian says well, maybe I'll get back at them

2303
01:49:36.460 --> 01:49:40.859
Um, but they they sold his watches

2304
01:49:40.939 --> 01:49:42.779
He had three or four watches and stole that and

2305
01:49:42.779 --> 01:49:44.619
I don't know what else maybe find something

2306
01:49:44.619 --> 01:49:46.460
else, but I said well brian

2307
01:49:47.340 --> 01:49:48.779
You you know, they hit you up now. They're

2308
01:49:48.779 --> 01:49:50.220
gonna hit you again

2309
01:49:50.699 --> 01:49:54.220
I said don't keep any money in the house any place

2310
01:49:54.779 --> 01:49:55.779
If you can't carry it in your pocket put it in

2311
01:49:55.779 --> 01:49:56.779
the bank

2312
01:49:57.819 --> 01:50:00.020
If they rob you why you got a chance there you

2313
01:50:00.020 --> 01:50:02.220
you may get to hit them in the head

2314
01:50:02.220 --> 01:50:05.500
But that that that stealing from people that

2315
01:50:05.500 --> 01:50:08.779
now they see he's got apartment

2316
01:50:09.500 --> 01:50:12.859
And those those boys and I'd say that if if

2317
01:50:12.859 --> 01:50:16.220
they knew what that print was that picture that

2318
01:50:16.779 --> 01:50:18.779
That it may be some indian boy

2319
01:50:19.260 --> 01:50:21.260
Somebody knew about the drone time

2320
01:50:23.180 --> 01:50:24.539
Where is he now?

2321
01:50:24.539 --> 01:50:26.510
He's living in hinder at work hinder at a

2322
01:50:26.510 --> 01:50:28.479
hospital. He's a technician

2323
01:50:29.180 --> 01:50:31.180
x-ray technician

2324
01:50:31.180 --> 01:50:32.619
He's going to bake home college five days a

2325
01:50:32.619 --> 01:50:34.060
week to

2326
01:50:34.699 --> 01:50:38.699
Get his degree. Well, that's good but

2327
01:50:38.699 --> 01:50:40.619
It's about the time you think you all set

2328
01:50:40.619 --> 01:50:42.539
something happened

2329
01:50:44.060 --> 01:50:46.060
That's that's what happened yesterday

2330
01:50:46.380 --> 01:50:48.380
They pull you. Yeah. No yesterday

2331
01:50:49.020 --> 01:50:51.060
I have neighbors out there by the farm and

2332
01:50:51.060 --> 01:50:53.100
every time a cow gets out they call me

2333
01:50:53.739 --> 01:50:55.539
And they said well two of your cows out here on

2334
01:50:55.539 --> 01:50:57.340
the road. I said well be right out

2335
01:50:57.340 --> 01:50:59.446
Well, I went out couldn't find the cows went

2336
01:50:59.446 --> 01:51:01.553
down the pasture found them over in the other

2337
01:51:01.553 --> 01:51:03.659
pasture where they'd walked around

2338
01:51:05.979 --> 01:51:07.899
Had a boy working when we worked there all day

2339
01:51:07.899 --> 01:51:09.819
and I worked like a dickens

2340
01:51:09.819 --> 01:51:12.100
And I thought I had my more all fixed up riding

2341
01:51:12.100 --> 01:51:14.380
more got on it and broke it again

2342
01:51:14.859 --> 01:51:16.646
And got it and fixed that and got on it again

2343
01:51:16.646 --> 01:51:18.433
started running and running about here across

2344
01:51:18.433 --> 01:51:20.220
the street and busted again

2345
01:51:20.779 --> 01:51:23.060
So I I said well we're gonna fix this and then

2346
01:51:23.060 --> 01:51:25.340
and then we'll mow so we we mowed so

2347
01:51:25.340 --> 01:51:29.100
I was 7:00 last night getting that yard cut

2348
01:51:29.739 --> 01:51:31.819
But you're probably a little tired when I

2349
01:51:31.819 --> 01:51:33.899
called you last night then huh? You were

2350
01:51:33.899 --> 01:51:35.979
probably a little tired. Yeah. Well, I was wore out

2351
01:51:35.979 --> 01:51:40.699
Well, I don't wake up. I'll be all right in the

2352
01:51:40.699 --> 01:51:45.420
morning folks. I sure thank you. Appreciate it.

2353
01:51:45.420 --> 01:51:54.859
I appreciate you. I tell you you're one of a kind

2354
01:52:04.300 --> 01:52:06.300
Can't see can you read that letter there

2355
01:52:08.699 --> 01:52:10.699
Bill's building is all I can read. Yeah

2356
01:52:14.140 --> 01:52:17.100
Go ahead there. This is this is uh, Mr. Bill's

2357
01:52:17.100 --> 01:52:20.060
building built in 19 and

2358
01:52:21.100 --> 01:52:23.020
seven, yeah

2359
01:52:23.020 --> 01:52:24.699
and uh

2360
01:52:24.699 --> 01:52:26.699
He he comes to school to lose

2361
01:52:26.779 --> 01:52:29.939
Muskogee down here and built that and he's the

2362
01:52:29.939 --> 01:52:33.100
one to order carload of shoes

2363
01:52:34.779 --> 01:52:36.060
At first

2364
01:52:36.060 --> 01:52:38.939
And this is the old Dixie school building

2365
01:52:39.819 --> 01:52:41.553
And I see little whitlow in there and a man

2366
01:52:41.553 --> 01:52:43.286
Ralph's in there someplace because that's the

2367
01:52:43.286 --> 01:52:45.020
whole group

2368
01:52:45.739 --> 01:52:47.739
of the Dixie school

2369
01:52:47.899 --> 01:52:49.500
and I see

2370
01:52:49.500 --> 01:52:52.140
Morris fears is one of the recognized in there

2371
01:52:52.140 --> 01:52:54.460
And the fears family

2372
01:52:55.739 --> 01:52:57.739
But the girls I just can't

2373
01:52:58.779 --> 01:53:01.060
Place any of the girls who they are. There's

2374
01:53:01.060 --> 01:53:03.340
there's more fears a little

2375
01:53:05.100 --> 01:53:07.579
Thing on his collar around his collar that's more

2376
01:53:11.659 --> 01:53:15.579
I I just can't That

2377
01:53:15.579 --> 01:53:19.149
Of course those people was born way back in 18

2378
01:53:19.149 --> 01:53:22.720
late 1800s. He was born in 94 1894

2379
01:53:24.060 --> 01:53:25.939
And he's he's in there. He's in the up on the

2380
01:53:25.939 --> 01:53:27.819
upper part

2381
01:53:30.060 --> 01:53:32.220
But that hadn't that had to be

2382
01:53:35.020 --> 01:53:37.020
before 1911

2383
01:53:37.979 --> 01:53:40.659
Because we left here in 1911 went to England

2384
01:53:40.659 --> 01:53:44.699
and stayed a year and a half Yeah

2385
01:53:44.699 --> 01:53:46.699
And that was before that

2386
01:53:47.340 --> 01:53:49.340
but this uh

2387
01:53:50.380 --> 01:53:52.380
I can't

2388
01:53:53.819 --> 01:53:56.779
The glasses no west or ward West that's ward

2389
01:53:56.779 --> 01:53:59.739
west of the glasses on and

2390
01:54:02.060 --> 01:54:04.060
That's that's Leo right there

2391
01:54:05.020 --> 01:54:07.380
In the in between the boys. No whitlow. That's

2392
01:54:07.380 --> 01:54:09.739
the mills. There's

2393
01:54:09.739 --> 01:54:12.513
Uh mills boy right there next to the teacher

2394
01:54:12.513 --> 01:54:15.286
later judge mills. Yeah, and there's Tom porter

2395
01:54:15.286 --> 01:54:18.060
down there right in there

2396
01:54:18.939 --> 01:54:20.939
in front of the lady

2397
01:54:23.260 --> 01:54:24.979
But I don't know who that school teacher was

2398
01:54:24.979 --> 01:54:26.699
but that's mills

2399
01:54:27.979 --> 01:54:29.739
Clarence mills. He's a judge, you know, of

2400
01:54:29.739 --> 01:54:31.500
course any or so

2401
01:54:31.500 --> 01:54:37.579
Um, this so this is the privateeran church

2402
01:54:38.460 --> 01:54:40.460
We attended when he's kids

2403
01:54:40.779 --> 01:54:42.779
and there's only about

2404
01:54:43.340 --> 01:54:46.100
Six seven families of privateeran back in those

2405
01:54:46.100 --> 01:54:48.859
days and we was one of them primrose is one

2406
01:54:49.819 --> 01:54:53.039
Whitaker's one Joe whitaker. He was privateeran

2407
01:54:53.039 --> 01:54:55.653
Here and I put a good building for that small

2408
01:54:55.653 --> 01:54:58.266
congregation. Oh, yeah, and those were all

2409
01:54:58.266 --> 01:55:00.880
stained windows

2410
01:55:01.600 --> 01:55:03.119
when they tore the thing down, I didn't get

2411
01:55:03.119 --> 01:55:06.720
away and one of them was was

2412
01:55:06.720 --> 01:55:09.520
Donated by Ce Foley and Roselle Foley

2413
01:55:10.319 --> 01:55:14.319
And I didn't know anything about it until it was gone

2414
01:55:14.319 --> 01:55:15.600
They couldn't

2415
01:55:15.600 --> 01:55:18.266
Get a hold of it. This is the old warshaven

2416
01:55:18.266 --> 01:55:20.933
building where they sold bond. My dad built the

2417
01:55:20.933 --> 01:55:23.600
building put it there and that

2418
01:55:24.159 --> 01:55:25.640
Little house on the hill up. There's a foley

2419
01:55:25.640 --> 01:55:28.960
Man Foley Home

2420
01:55:28.960 --> 01:55:31.279
You notice we've got a good paved road all the

2421
01:55:31.279 --> 01:55:33.600
way but there's a sidewalk runs there clear up

2422
01:55:33.600 --> 01:55:35.920
the clear up to our house

2423
01:55:36.800 --> 01:55:38.800
We skated on that thing

2424
01:55:38.800 --> 01:55:40.720
I bet

2425
01:55:40.720 --> 01:55:42.720
I bet your skin lost the knees, too. Yeah

2426
01:55:42.720 --> 01:55:44.720
Nothing, you know

2427
01:55:45.119 --> 01:55:47.649
Hold the sidewalk, you know the way we go, but

2428
01:55:47.649 --> 01:55:50.180
that's the warshaven man in 1918

2429
01:55:52.000 --> 01:55:54.239
And the mills buildings down there you can see

2430
01:55:54.239 --> 01:55:56.479
it on the left there that was later used by

2431
01:55:56.479 --> 01:55:58.720
several other

2432
01:55:59.500 --> 01:56:01.430
Organizations too, wasn't it? No, just that's

2433
01:56:01.430 --> 01:56:03.359
just warshaven bond building

2434
01:56:03.439 --> 01:56:04.960
Well, I thought I thought the article said that

2435
01:56:04.960 --> 01:56:06.479
the boy scouts even used it

2436
01:56:06.560 --> 01:56:09.000
Well after they moved it, yes. Yeah after they

2437
01:56:09.000 --> 01:56:11.439
moved it off of there boy scouts used it

2438
01:56:11.439 --> 01:56:12.960
Yeah down they moved it down north on the north

2439
01:56:12.960 --> 01:56:14.479
end of town

2440
01:56:15.680 --> 01:56:17.680
but that was

2441
01:56:17.760 --> 01:56:19.840
That's quite something back there and then

2442
01:56:19.840 --> 01:56:21.920
right behind the building here on the vacant

2443
01:56:21.920 --> 01:56:24.000
lot behind Foley building

2444
01:56:24.479 --> 01:56:26.159
It's where they had the fire fire bail where

2445
01:56:26.159 --> 01:56:27.840
we'd go

2446
01:56:28.640 --> 01:56:31.359
Kids we'd go ring that thing. Here'd come the

2447
01:56:32.319 --> 01:56:33.720
The city march around and run us, of course

2448
01:56:33.720 --> 01:56:35.119
we'd scatter

2449
01:56:35.119 --> 01:56:41.619
Work but it that was a fire department back there