The Democrat-Topic. (Norman, Okla.), Vol. 8, No. 41, Ed. 1 Friday, May 14, 1897 Page: 1 of 8
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NORMAN CLEVELAND COUNTY. OKLAHOMA. FRIDAY, MAY 14, 185)7. NO. 41.
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THAT DEBATE.
Th« Noriunl Nchool Itucka Down, on (lie
Flimsy Charge That Tliey Have Iteen
liiNUlted by onn of the I iiivci-Hitv
Men.
— IS AT-
MAGUIRR'S.
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The largest stock of Wagons, Buggies, Hard-
ware, Stoves and Tinware in the city
When you want anything that is kept in a first
class Hardware Store, come to Maguire.
D. W. MARQUAHT, President.
S. B. OWENS, Vice President.
j. iv, hocker, Cashier,
A. Klngkade As't Cashier
BIREOTOR-i:—J. F. Phelps, B. F. Hughes, B. Owens, E. F. Twjlor,
kade, J. W. Hocker, A. 0. Maher and D. \V. Marquart.
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[Incorporatedunder the Laws of Oklahoma.]
Ihe By-laws.oj ih/s Bank provides that no Stock can be
isvwv! t<< t enfs of Cleveland County.
A Kii
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THE BEST ON EARTH.
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Call and see us if you contemplate buying
Harvesting or Haying Machinery
OR BINDER TWINE.
Respectfully,
LUfi
AN FSTEY PIANO OR ORGAN?
They are the best on the Market.
Call on me at the City Book Store, and see these goods.
, I receive these goods direct from the factory and there
is no middle-man's profits. Sold on terms to suit the
people. W. S. WILDER,
Representative.
, A. K. LOOMIS, Manager.
Grower and Dealer in all kinds of
,1 nw„n g}lruf)Si
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Nursery One-half Mile Southwest of the Depot.
NORMAN, OKLAHOMA.
In view of the erroneous and mis-
leading statements that have been
published in regard to the debate,
that was to have taken place, in Ed-
mond on or about May 19, '97. be-
tween the Pierian Literary Society
of the University and the I'ioneer
Literary Society of the Normal
school, the Pierian Society desires
to say,: that she has been misrepre-
jsented and that her delegates and
representatives have been intention-
ally misquoted, and theii in oil v* >
premeditnively iinpunpu and thai
she lakes this opportunity of pre- !
senting the facts in the case as thev
really exist, without re,- rve for
feelings, sympathy respectability (?)
or stupidity.
In the February liuniuer of the
"Philomath," a small journal pub-
lished by Edwin W, Doran and
W alter L. 1 loss, two members of
the faculty of the Normal School,
we read the following: "Two of the
Missouri colleges,—Central and
Mo. Valley, are to have a debat-
ing contest soon, and the institu-
tions are taking a lively interest in
the matter and it is possible—even
probable that such a contest is of
more value to the student than the
usual oratorical contest and it is
certainly a more accurate test of
scholarship and mental acumen.
Why not have such a "war of
words" in Okiahoina? We await a
challenge " After readil y tuie and
after various conferences among the
members ot the Pierian Society it
was called up in regular session of
the society and interpreted and act
ed upon as follows: and it was the
unanimous opinion of the Pierian
Society that this was a virtual,
challenge of th<> Normal School So-
citiesto the Societies of the Univer-
sity, and that this indirect way was
adopted on account of their having
won the Oratorical contest at Okla-
homa City only a few weeks before.
In consequence of this a committee
of three, consisting of N. T. Pool,
Maude DeCou and J. T. Hefley was
appointed to formulate a challenge
for a debating contest to be pulled
off some time before the close of the
school year.
At a meeting of this committee
the following challenge was former-
ally adopted and mailed to the
President of the Oratorical associa-
tion, at Edmond Oklahoma.
Norman, O. T., March 0, 1897.
President Oratorical Ass'n.
Edmond O. T.
Dear Sir:
The Pierian Liter-
ary Society of the University of Ok-
lahoma hereby challenge any stu-
dent organization of the Normal
school of Oklahoma to meet the
said society in joint debate, The
Pierian Society desires to submit
this proposition: That the debate
be held a* Norman on the evening
of May 14., P. L. S. to pay Ihe neces-
sary expenses of two debaters sent
from the Fornwd School and of
three judges. That all demonsti a-
t ions calculated to infiuene jlidgt n
he ruled out of the content. That
the Normal school send two dele-
gates to confer with two delegate
from the -University on choice of
subject, judges, system of rading,
etc. Said delegates to i leet .it
Grand Avenue Hotel. Oklahoma
Ctt\ Saturday March 13, I .'at Ha.
til. Please advise us of j our action
as soon as as possible.
Very Respect fully,
Maude DeCoi ,
Sec y Com.
By
above challenge. And that the dele-
gates to Oklahoma City have full
power to act for the society it was
decided that the delegates who were
to represent the society in the debat-
ing contest, in which the challenge
was accepted, should be the dele-
gates. At this same special session
N. T. Pool and J. T. Hefley were
chosen by informal ballot as the
representatives ot the Pierian Soci-
ety. In reply to the above chal-
lenge we received the following:
Edmond Okla,Mar. lltli, 1897.
Miss Maude DeCou:
Your letter was recieved on March
Oth. in.st.
Our delegates will meet your at
time and place named.
Yours respectfully,
Kruv HOWAK'I),
Sec'y of i 'ioneer Society.
Our del -ite* met the Pioneer
Society delegates at Oklahoma
City and as a result of the meeting
the following articles of agreement
were drawn up decided upon and
signed:
articles of agreement.
It is hereby agreed by and be-
tween the Pioneer Literary society
of the Normal School f or Oklaho-
ma of the first part and the Pierian
Literary Society of the University
of Oklahoma of the second part:
that the above named socitic ill
no rijjlit to represent their society
why did they sign the articles of
agreement? We cannot believe
that men of mature age, even
though their judgment is impaired
by a superabundance of egotism,
would be so childlike as to sub-
scribe their names to articles of
agreement when they had not been
delegated the power so to do.
About the first of April our rep-
resentatives Pool and Hefley heard
through Prof. J. S. l>u email, of
the University faculty, that J no.
Adams of the Normal Sch:>ol had
been excused from an examination
and wes permits It i dr.ip one sub-
ject in order to prep re for the de-
bate, and that thes' concessions
had been made by Pres. Murdaugh,
of the Normal School. As Mr.
Adams is to graduate the ye tr, and
as the concessions were made by
President Murdaugh of the
Normal School, we interpeted
this to mean credit for work
not done, and in view of this, Mr,
Pool wrote the following personal
letter to Mr. Adams.
Norman, O. T. April, 8, 1897.
Mr. John Adams,
Edmond Okla.
Dear Sir and Friend: Will you
kindly inform me as to wh itlier
------- m . i j j m- <ia i'> v. criner
hold a joint debate at Edmond Ok- ! - faculty grant a.iy ctuices ions
la., on or about the eve., of the 19th.
(20th.) of May 1.VJ7 the party of the
first part hereby agree to pay the
expenses of two representatives
who shall be sent by the party of
the second part, also of the follow-
ing named gentlemen who shall
act as Judges of said debate:
Judges Dale, McAtee and Keaton.
I n case said genii-.men or an} of
them cannot serve, the following
alternates are choaen:
1st. James Spurloek.
2nd. Prof. Patterson.
3rd Prof. Ledgerwood.
The following question is hereby i
agreed to and arranged in the fol-
lowing manner.
Question:
Resolved that feudalism has re-
sulted in more evil to the world
than good.
Aft Neg.
I niversity. Normal School.
Each side shall select two speak-
ers who shall be regular students
in the institutions above named
and each speaker shall be allowed
twenty (20) minutes time.
The affirmative shall have five
minutes in which to close
TIir presiding officer shall be
Pres. Morrow.
It is further agreed, lhat the
speakers in said debate shall re-
cieve no assistance whatever from
any member of the faculties of the
above named institutions.
John A. Adams,
L. A. FERKIL,
For tile Normal School.
J. T. Hefley,
n. T. pool,
I'or the University.
Sometime afterward we received
a letter from the (secretary of the
Pioneer Society stating that the re-
port of their delegates had been ac-
cepted with the exception of the
alternates and that the society was
not satisfied with them.
This was the first intimation to
us of the fact that the Pioneer dele-
g-ites at Oklahoma Citv had no ail-
request
to you in the way of excusing you
from recitations on account of the
work you are doing on the debate.
Iftney are, I feel that we can, with
propriety make tile same
of our fac ilty.
Sorrv vour people are notsatis-
lied willi the alternates. Since re-
ceiving tin-letter our folk s are ob-
jecting to the jttdire- -is cllo • n, for
certain reasons which 1 will not
mention here, and the. s,
jthat we choose judges frei , th"
j prominent teachers in \ iriotis
.
I Co, Supts. As they will be attend
ing the Institute, it would save you
some expense, and would cer-
tainly he fair to all concerned.
How will this suit you? Kindly
lei me hear from you at once and
obi ige.
Yours Truly,
N. T. Pool,
To this friendly letter Mr. Adams
replies as follows:
Edmond Okla, April 12th, 1897.
Mr. Pool,
Norman, Okla.
Yours of the 8tli. inst. duly received.
Mr. Ferril and I have not asketl
our faculty to grant us any con-
cessions whatever, nor do we in-
tend to do so. We don't wish any
immunities. We are each carrying-
tile following branches straight:
I lis. of Education, English, Latin,
Math., and Botany.
Our Society's objections to the al-
ternates was certainly reasonable
and legitimate. While not in the
least questioning the integrity of
the gentlemen, the members ot our
society believe the sympathies of
.Messrs Patterson and Legerwood
to be with one institution rather
than with the other, and of course
neither parties wish either judges
or alternates that are inclined one
way or the other.
In regard to your suggestion to
I wait until the time of the Institute
I to select the judyes, 1 will say that
'I am sure that our Society will, un-
der no circumstances, wait so long-
before settling the matter. We de-
sire that everything be decided be-
fore haml, so that there may be no
chance for misunderstanding.
Yours very truly.
J no Adams.
After ri ;eiving this letter, which
was only the beginning of what was
to come from t lie wrinkling, c n-
|science (smitten,linn-
the bodily tut
'!>' It
request of the committee a
special session of tiie I'ierian Soeie-
] vici
i wen
thority to act. If they had no au-1 writer, tho C01nlujtt
thority to transact business why ; se- ion by its chain
did they come to Oklahoma City in t,D tnkovei i -,(*■■
response to a challenge which
pr< .-sly enuitii rated the busine.-
be done by the delegates?
We do not believe that th. e
gates from the Pioneer Socit-N
the Normal School met the dele-
gates from the Pierian Society ti
ty was called by'the president for I instructed to transact busine.-.-, but j mittie and given
the purpose of taking steps to car- that this was simply a pretext to I full power to act and
ry into effect the provisions of the get out of the debate. If they had i (foutimied ou Fourth i«Ke.;
I Olieer
Dciety
Miss Howard, i
Society, that
had i.ppn- ,
and
.the
them
that
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Brown, Quincey T. The Democrat-Topic. (Norman, Okla.), Vol. 8, No. 41, Ed. 1 Friday, May 14, 1897, newspaper, May 14, 1897; Norman, Oklahoma. (https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc116943/m1/1/: accessed April 23, 2024), The Gateway to Oklahoma History, https://gateway.okhistory.org; crediting Oklahoma Historical Society.